A Heritage of Perfection: Standard-bred Large Fowl

[3riverschick]

How difficult is it to raise a wing that is carried a bit low? How inheritable is that feature?
I think that is what is happening. My avatar is the dam. My foundation cock the sire. Neither seems to present a low carried wing but the cocks by them seem to. Or maybe it is just a mistake on my part to think so? This was a 1/2 sibling breeding thru a common sire. No superhackle or black bleed thru on the ends of the hackle.

Thanks,
Karen
Top two pics are my foundation cock, Junior. He is snow white. The yellow is from the light overhead.
Junior's sire is 3x APA Grand Champion, "Senior". He is 11 1/2 Months in this pic.





pictures of the 2 sons of foundation cock: Knight And Day

Tux

 

[3riverschick]

Tell me about the inheritance of "slipped wing".

Is it something you can overcome by inbreeding thru it?
I believe an angel wing is different from slipped wing and I was inquiring about the slipped wing. Where the primaries are held at an outward angle from the rest of the wing. Do you think this is due to genetics, too much protein in chick feed, injury, lack of exercise ( i.e. too small a coop/run and or in ability to fly in the run) or ? . Can therapy or change to environment help or is it incurable/and/or genetic?
Thanks,
Karen

 

[buffalogal]

I would think that if you wanted to rule out lack of exercise as a factor, you could increase the size (length) of the run and put all perches a minimum of 4.5 feet off the ground.

 

[3riverschick]

I would think that if you wanted to rule out lack of exercise as a factor, you could increase the size (length) of the run and put all perches a minimum of 4.5 feet off the ground.

Being a heavy fowl, do I need to worry about them injuring feet when flying up and down from such high perches?
I have a perch 3 ft. off the ground in the big yard but no one uses it.
Thanks!
Karen

 

[gjensen]

4.5' is pretty tall for a heavy bird.

Karen, concerning the low wing set, all I have known to do is select against it. It is a pet peeve of mine, so I do not keep them. I did keep a Catalana cockerel with lower wings than I like. He is/was a back up of sorts and had some things that I liked. Fortunately, I have not and does not seam like I will need to use him.

Karen do you have a picture of the slipped wing(s) that you are talking about? Are you seeing this in a bird that you have growing out?

 

[Yellow House Farm]

Joseph, is there some way you could get a moderator to clear it up from time to time of jibber jabber and off topic talk the phase 2 heritage thread has been consumed with?

Well, as we go, we can redirect, but I'm sure the moderators will be on that. There is a commitment to keeping these threads focused and of quality. I, too, noticed that the Phase II thread meandered quite a bit. Perhaps it was necessary, Now there's a place for meandering and a place for bird focus.

 

[Yellow House Farm]

I, too, think it is a selection piece, and I don't think it's easy.

4.5' might be high, but your birds should be able to hit a 3' roost. Lots of breeders speak of exercise.

 

[buffalogal]

I have adult turkeys and Buckeyes that roost 20 feet up in a Mulberry tree, so I wouldn't think it would be too high for a Delaware, but I couldn't say for sure. I suppose you could put extra bedding down underneath to cushion the landing. How high is the perch in the coop where they sleep at night?

 

[racertomtom]

Tell me about the inheritance of "slipped wing".

Is it something you can overcome by inbreeding thru it?
I believe an angel wing is different from slipped wing and I was inquiring about the slipped wing. Where the primaries are held at an outward angle from the rest of the wing. Do you think this is due to genetics, too much protein in chick feed, injury, lack of exercise ( i.e. too small a coop/run and or in ability to fly in the run) or ? . Can therapy or change to environment help or is it incurable/and/or genetic?
Thanks,
Karen

"Where the primaries are held at an angle from the rest of the wing"
This definition can be confused with split wing. Slipped wing or what I call low wing carriage, is very prevalent in barred rocks and is genetic. It is one of the main concerns with barreds. It can also be a lack of vigor where the bird can keep it up but won’t, or it is genetic and just hangs too low. Selective breeding against it is the only cure. Exercise is not relevant, IMO.

 

[Wynette]

Karen, I understand your conern with roost height; I had a Jersey Giant injure a leg from hopping down from a 2.5' roost. I thought they'd be okay with that height, since the coop they were in was wooden floored and up on blocks (so it would give a bit when they hopped down). I've been told that split wing, if that's what you've got going on, is hereditary.