A Heritage of Perfection: Standard-bred Large Fowl

[capayvalleychick]

Karen, I had similar confusion about the wing terms, and actually took a long drive to have Walt look at a pullet, because I wasn't sure. This was the pullet. I thought that her wing feathers might be defined as split wing at the time. Now, I think slipped wing may be a better definition. I think Walt said ... whatever it is, it's not the way it should be. So, I had to cull her.



Here's a cockerel with twisted feather. The wing angle is also too low. And his tail has been rubbed off on the wire.

 

[finnfur]

This is a culled Delaware - the primary wing feathers seem to be growing upside down- is that considered "twisted feather"
I have the 1980 SOP and "Angle wing" is not at page 33 - but not important as I don't have waterfowl

 

[uphilljill]

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Is this what you you mean?





Wing issue only on one side on this bird. Other side was fine. (below)



He was culled.

 

[colburg]

Has anyone had a slow-down in egg production over the last few days? Ours have dropped about 30-40% and I've talked to several other flock owners and they've seen production drop from30% up to 90% or nearly completely gone.

The only thing I can figure is the rise in temperature as we head into summer is affecting them.

colburg

 

[wsmith]

Has anyone had a slow-down in egg production over the last few days? Ours have dropped about 30-40% and I've talked to several other flock owners and they've seen production drop from30% up to 90% or nearly completely gone.

The only thing I can figure is the rise in temperature as we head into summer is affecting them.

colburg

Mine is about the same so far...

 

[3riverschick]

Karen, I had similar confusion about the wing terms, and actually took a long drive to have Walt look at a pullet, because I wasn't sure. This was the pullet. I thought that her wing feathers might be defined as split wing at the time. Now, I think slipped wing may be a better definition. I think Walt said ... whatever it is, it's not the way it should be. So, I had to cull her.
Nope this picture below wasn't it. That's not what I saw.


Here's a cockerel with twisted feather. The wing angle is also too low. And his tail has been rubbed off on the wire.
Yup, these pictures below are it. This is what was wrong with my chicks.

 

[3riverschick]

Is this what you mean?
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From what we have been discussing on this thread, this looks
like slipped wing since 3 or 4 feathers are involved. The good stuff I
read said most common in males and usually on the left hand side.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, please!!!
In my chicks there was ony one feather involved. It was twisted feather,
not slipped wing. The Net is absolutely polluted with wrong information
on wing defects. Wiki pedia is one of the worst, sigh. Many hours of searching
and I didn't figure out what the truth was until I came to this thread.




Wing issue only on one side on this bird. Other side was fine. (below)



He was culled.

 

[bnjrob]

I'm in the "build the barn" stage of "build the barn then paint it" with my Black Javas. I have a seven month old cockerel I am tempted to keep for breeding next year because he is a sturdy bird with a more rectangular back than most of my cockerels and his tail is wider than most. Problem is he has a disqualifying amount of white in his tail, a purple sheen, and his undercolor is white. I have some long-backed, wide-tailed, dark-eyed, dark-legged, beetle green pullets coming along I could pair him with next year. So far this guy is my best bet in terms of body structure. The other cockerels coming up have pinched tails and other structural issues.

Building the barn first is the main idea, but I am choking on the idea of building the barn with a bird that has a disqualifying color flaw. DQ's are usually DQ's for a reason.

If I use this bird with white in his tail, what kind of problems am I looking at down the road? Will that white become so pestilential I can't get rid of it? If I pair him with a dark bird with dark undercolor will it compensate for the white in his tail?

Thanks for any advice you can give me. I will be culling a bunch of birds in a couple of days, and I am on the fence about this guy.

Sarah

Theoretically of course you should be able to get some offspring that won't have the white in them. I've seen good results so far with pairing darker birds with the whiter Mottled birds we have, and in our one particular color project group, we actually wound up with 1 completely black male, a handful of black females, a cock with black/gold feathering, and just a few that actually turned out mottled. That was by pairing Mottled females with a cock that was born mottled but matured into a black feathered cock - no white on him anywhere - but had the dreaded gold feathering that the antique books say never to breed from. We only hatched about a dozen from this project group and still wound up with most of them being black feathered and not looking mottled.

 

[MagicChicken]

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Good to know. Thanks. Think I'll hold onto him for another round as backup, until the younger birds have a chance to grow out more.

 

[NanaKat]

Has anyone had a slow-down in egg production over the last few days? Ours have dropped about 30-40% and I've talked to several other flock owners and they've seen production drop from30% up to 90% or nearly completely gone.

The only thing I can figure is the rise in temperature as we head into summer is affecting them.

colburg

Temperatures here went from near freezing last week to two days at 100 so egg laying dropped by 2/3 on the layer flock and 1/2 from the breeding pens.

With the discussion of slipped wing and twisted feather someone mentioned keeping track of the recessive carriers within your breeders. The example that caught my attention and piqued an epiphany was the mention of recessive yellow soles.
How does one determine which are the recessive traits which characterize your breed?
Is there a document that states which recessive traits are identified with each breed?

I have Columbian Wyandotte and have copies of some of the historical tomes on the Wyandotte breed that I have read in sections....time to read more thoroughly.