A hyper layer easter egger LF

[allosaurusrock]

Easter eggers are not a specific breed.
They are not a group of breeds.
They are a hybrid.

I am choosing to cross a ccl with a brown egger because it will give many many eggs and yes green eggs.

I have done this experiment of course and many friends of mine who sell easter eggers have done it.

It is not the best way to create a blueish or greenish egg colour.

It is the best way to create an egg laying machine that lays an amount of her eggs in easter egger colorations.

I crossed a geeno duke hybrid rooster I bought with columbine skyline hybrid hens I bought and I created this machine. And if I had the chance to have my own legbars I would do the experiment with red sex links as the d stock. I think it would work perfect.

I would actually argue that EEs are more of a landrace than a hybrid. They are not a mix between two different breeds like a hybrid is. Instead they are a distinct group of birds that share common genes but in different combinations. They are genetically diverse but share common ancestry.

I really do thing crossing production white leghorns to EEs, then breeding the F1 birds back to EEs is your best best. The white egg color will also lighten your eggs a bit and make them prettier.

 

[The Moonshiner]

I would actually argue that EEs are more of a landrace than a hybrid. They are not a mix between two different breeds like a hybrid is. Instead they are a distinct group of birds that share common genes but in different combinations. They are genetically diverse but share common ancestry.

I really do thing crossing production white leghorns to EEs, then breeding the F1 birds back to EEs is your best best. The white egg color will also lighten your eggs a bit and make them prettier.

I would argue against your position.
In this day and age EEs are just mix breeds.
Their ancestry or at least the part that carries the blue egg genes may trace back to a landrace.
That landrace was never associated with the term Easter Egger until a few decades ago.
Imo EE is really nothing more than an advertising tool to sell mix breeds that may or may not lay blue or green eggs.

 

[allosaurusrock]

I would argue against your position.
In this day and age EEs are just mix breeds.
Their ancestry or at least the part that carries the blue egg genes may trace back to a landrace.
That landrace was never associated with the term Easter Egger until a few decades ago.
Imo EE is really nothing more than an advertising tool to sell mix breeds that may or may not lay blue or green eggs.

I do not want to get in a big argument here, but when does something technically become a landrace? There are specific characteristics that can be expected in an easter egger, and they have enough uniformity that I really do feel they should be more that just 'Mixed Breeds', especially since people do selectively breed them to have traits that they feel are important in a good easter egger. In a sense, they are a modern landrace. If you could clue me into what old landrace that they may be descended from before we called them EEs, that would be awesome.

 

[The Moonshiner]

We don't have to argue. Just a discussion on different opinions.

There are specific characteristics that can be expected in an easter egger, and they have enough uniformity that I really do feel they should be more that just 'Mixed Breeds', especially since people do selectively breed them to have traits that they feel are important in a good easter egger.

This is where we disagree. There are some breeding towards certain traits/ characteristics but more are just mixing breeds.
Now days it is said that an EE can be any color/pattern. Can have any comb type and can lay any color egg. Also any leg color and bearded, muffed, both or neither.
At this time there isn't specific characteristics that can be expected in an easter egger, and they do not have enough uniformity to come close to breeding true for just about anything.
That all spells mixed breed to me. Without being a breed and having a SOP to breed towards they will never be more than mixes.

 

[Mitsos Lamprogiorgos]

I would actually argue that EEs are more of a landrace than a hybrid. They are not a mix between two different breeds like a hybrid is. Instead they are a distinct group of birds that share common genes but in different combinations. They are genetically diverse but share common ancestry.

I really do thing crossing production white leghorns to EEs, then breeding the F1 birds back to EEs is your best best. The white egg color will also lighten your eggs a bit and make them prettier.

Thank you so much for your idea.

European and traditional serama is a different name for a similar strain. They are seramas improved for better hatching, better laying and better health for the Malaysian ones.

 

[Mitsos Lamprogiorgos]

We don't have to argue. Just a discussion on different opinions.

This is where we disagree. There are some breeding towards certain traits/ characteristics but more are just mixing breeds.
Now days it is said that an EE can be any color/pattern. Can have any comb type and can lay any color egg. Also any leg color and bearded, muffed, both or neither.
At this time there isn't specific characteristics that can be expected in an easter egger, and they do not have enough uniformity to come close to breeding true for just about anything.
That all spells mixed breed to me. Without being a breed and having a SOP to breed towards they will never be more than mixes.

I agree with you. They are mixes. The purpose is to lay a bigger amount of eggs than araucana, ameraucana and crested cream legbar. To be cheaper and not to breed true.

That's why I decided to combine the power of a geeno duke hybrid roo with skyline columbine hybrid hens.

 

[lomine]

White + green = turquoise?

I don’t understand how this could be true. If you have a 1st generation green layer from a pure blue and brown layer it would carry one blue shell gene and one white shell gene. I know the brown bloom genetics is complicated but I don’t see how crossing that bird with a white layer would change the bloom that much. It’s not like mixing a brown layer and a white layer gets you a lighter brown. Plus only 25% of the offspring would get the blue shell gene. 75% of the offspring laying brown or white seems like a waste when you are trying to get colorful eggs.

Am I missing something?

 

[The Moonshiner]

You're right.
White X green does not = blue.
All chicks would get white from the white and half would get white and half blue from the green. So half would get blue.
Brown isn't so easy to get rid of so imo most would get some degree of brown.
So half would be brown and half would be green with a slim chance of some being white or blue.

 

[Mitsos Lamprogiorgos]

Well, I tried it for real because I can't find true crested cream legbars in my country and I dislike other breeds who lay these magical egg colorations.

And I know a professional poultry keeper in UK who was creating his easter eggers in a similar way, but he used a red sex link and not a pure brown layer. I used a skyline columbine.

I was getting many many eggs and many greenish eggs too.

 

[Mitsos Lamprogiorgos]

Well, I tried it for real because I can't find true crested cream legbars in my country and I dislike other breeds who lay these magical egg colorations.

And I know a professional poultry keeper in UK who was creating his easter eggers in a similar way, but he used a red sex link and not a pure brown layer. I used a skyline columbine.

I was getting many many eggs and many greenish eggs too.