Mixed flock enthusiast

Free Ranging
May 21, 2018
3,750
9,086
676
Stillwater, OK
I just happened upon this thread. First off, I’m very sorry that you lost your keets. I’ve read the whole thread and agree with most of the other comments that nothing listed in that feed should result in rapid death of keets. I’m on another guinea group in Facebook where the moderators are adamant that all keets be on medicated, amprolium containing feed. I don’t necessarily agree, but there are thousands of people on that forum that routinely feed keets medicated feed with a similar protein to your bag.

However, what is sadly common on all of the guinea groups that I am on is that keets are delicate and often die of unknown causes at a few days to a few weeks of age. We’ve had several sad threads and discussions about this on the BYCs Guinea fowl forum. Some possible culprits are shavings or other foreign body that was swallowed, cocciosis, enteritis (pasty butt), too cold, genetics, etc. My own keets that I’ve bred, hatched and raised myself rarely have more than a few losses, and others report the same. I suspect that keets just don’t travel as well as chicks, and that the shipping stress predisposes them to disease. People may lose a lot of keets at once, then the losses stop and remaining keets do well. I would love to necropsy any that I lose, but while our Oklahoma Animal Disease Diagnostic Lab will necropsy chicks and chickens for free through their influenza screening program, they won’t extend that to guineas fowl. I’m glad to hear that your losses have stopped and hope that your keets continue to do well!
 

Bakerolivia

Hatching
Dec 8, 2021
3
2
7
I was not aware that was a possibility. According to the feed rep the feed killed them due to the larger crumbles and their inability to digest them?
I raise quail and I raise baby chicks but I'm not an expert. But what I do for mines is I have a coffee grinder I got it on Amazon for like $13 it's electric and I grind their feed with it.. The quail for the full first 4 weeks and the baby chicks at least the first 2 weeks
 

Banana01

Songster
Feb 18, 2021
791
1,303
221
San Martin, Peru
I am sharing my story of stupidity in hopes of preventing another senseless tragedy from occurring in another coop.

Backround: Recently my small farm decided to start supporting small family owned companies over large box stores. In doing this we choose to purchase feed from a local feed store, that has been owned by the same family for several generations.

Upon arrival I felt warm ❤❤ knowing I was supporting a local business, instead of a large company. I pulled in at saw pedigree swine show feed clearance for $10 instead of the $21 we would normally pay at TSC or Rural King! I couldn't believe it and began looking around for other good deals. I took my time strolling through the store comparing prices to that of the Big stores, everything seemed about the same or cheaper; so I grab what I need and headed to the counter. Once at the counter, I inform the owner I want all of the clearance swine show feed, 1 bag of chick starter (non medicated due to feeding ducklings) 2 bags of barley seed (to grow foliage) and 8 bags of mixed egg layer(to stick up for winter feeding)
I paid around $350 because my daughter added some items she wanted to get her little sister, who will be showing a market steer at the fair for the first time, for Christmas; I'm and I leave. When I arrive home I unload and put away all my feed, until I come to my chick starter and I see it's medicated; we are all human, mistakes happen🤷‍♀️. I call and arrange an exchange the following day.

The following day I drive the hour back down, 1 way, to exchange my the medicated feed for 2 bags of non medicated chick starter. As the worker loads me I see the bag says livestock feed and I questioned him. "Are you sure that is chick starter, it says livestock feed? " he replied "yes, we only carry 3 types of crumble which is medicated, and non- medicated 20% chick starter and a layer crumble. We have sold this to the tri-state area for years without problems" I left confident that I had the right feed. When I get home, I fill my feeders give fresh water and proceeded about my day.

The following day I go about my feed routine, everything is going great until I get to the guinea pin, where I found 3 dead guineas. Now my guineas are only a week old; considering it was my first time raising them, I thought it may have been from the stress transporting them or something I did. I removed the deceased, bury them and continued about my day.

During my evening feed check, I find 2 more guineas dead; again I figure I must be doing something wrong since it's only affecting my guineas. Determined to figure out what was going wrong with my guineas, I start a deep dive into how to raise guineas. The only thing I find that I was doing was using pine chips as bedding, which I thought might be killing them. I rush to change the bedding and turn in fir the night.

The following morning I make my rounds again, paying special attention to guineas, 2 had died, leaving me 1 left. The next pin I now have 1 chick dead and 1 who looked as if he was on his way out! Finally this point I realize something else is going on and start racking my brain to figure out what we did differently. The only thing we changed was the food, instantly I pulled the food!

My next step was to call the feed store and discuss what happened and what could be wrong with the feed they provided me. They assured me nothing was wrong and that it had to be something else. She said she would further investigate the problem and call me back.

She called me back and stated, "the head of wildlife came in and she discussed it with him even if I had fed my ducks or guineas medicated it wouldn't have harmed them; that he feeds it to his flock all the time! Further stating the feedthey sold me was chick starter! " Now I'm unsure where this statement came from as I was concerned about the feed not being a chick starter as I knew it wasn't medicated. I'm starting to believe that these so called experts are NOT experts and call the manufacturer. The manufacturer asks me to refer to the tag attached to the bag. I inform the manufacturer that a tag wasn't attached to this particular bag; however I had another bag at our other farm and would check there! I was told since the tag was MIA there was no way to identify my feed; also, it should not have been sold it without the tag it! The only option left was to direct me to the regional sales reps, which I received his cell number, called and left a message.

In the meantime I headed to the other farm to check for a tag on the other bag I purchased. Luckily the tag was still attached to the other bag but by this time the mill I purchased the feed from was closed. I called another mill and told them what happened to my flock; then read him the information from the tag. The other mills owner requested pictures of the bag and tag text to him during our conversation, which I obliged. He examined the photos and said " your problem was the feed; examine the small print! The instructions say for poultry over 8 weeks! " this destroyed me as i trusted the experts and didn't even think to read the small print.

Today the sales rep called me, we discussed everything that happened to my flock, the feed I was sold and what the feed store told me; also requesting pictures of the bag and tag. He assured me that what I was sold was NOT chick starter and apologized over and over to me; even offering me a free bag of feed. I explained that I was just happy to get to the bottom of the issue and requested he re-educate the mill to prevent this situation from happening to other first time feather parents, while declining the free bag of food. He promised he would be at the mill within the hour and the mill WOULD NOT sale this food as chick starter again!

If you have made it with me this far thank you for reading my story of stupidity and tragedy! Please use my experience as a precautionary tale to:

ALWAYS TRUST YOUR GUT, IF SOMETHING DOESN'T FEEL OR SOUND RIGHT IT PROBABLY ISN'T RIGHT!

IF THE TAG ISN'T ON THE BAG DON'T BUY IT

ALWAYS READ ALL TAGS, EVEN THE SMALL PRINT!

IF YOU ARE STILL UNSURE CALL SOMEONE FOR A SECOND OPINION!

Most importantly NEVER BLINDLY TRUST ANYONE, EVEN THE ONES THAT SHOULD BE EXPERTS, WITH YOUR BABIES FOOD!

Pictures below are of the bag and tag that I was sold as chick starter!


I felt it was urgent to get my experience out, to other first time feather parents, which is why i quickly wrote this in between chores and have not proof read it; therefore, please excuse all grammatical and spelling errors!

Thank you in advance
Momma Runyon
Chicks die from impacted crop due to the shape of the feed and not consuming wnough water. If you notice your chicks crop is impacted at night, you can force feed water to moisen their crop.
 

Mosey2003

Crowing
5 Years
Apr 13, 2016
3,131
5,149
411
North-Central IL
The reason it says to give to turkeys AFTER 8 weeks of age is because it's 20% protein, not because there's anything harmful about feeding it to younger birds. Turkeys and pheasants need much higher protein for their first 8 weeks, so this feed would serve as a grower for them rather than a starter.
 
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bsashootingstar

In the Brooder
Dec 20, 2021
3
19
29
I am sharing my story of stupidity in hopes of preventing another senseless tragedy from occurring in another coop.

Backround: Recently my small farm decided to start supporting small family owned companies over large box stores. In doing this we choose to purchase feed from a local feed store, that has been owned by the same family for several generations.

Upon arrival I felt warm ❤❤ knowing I was supporting a local business, instead of a large company. I pulled in at saw pedigree swine show feed clearance for $10 instead of the $21 we would normally pay at TSC or Rural King! I couldn't believe it and began looking around for other good deals. I took my time strolling through the store comparing prices to that of the Big stores, everything seemed about the same or cheaper; so I grab what I need and headed to the counter. Once at the counter, I inform the owner I want all of the clearance swine show feed, 1 bag of chick starter (non medicated due to feeding ducklings) 2 bags of barley seed (to grow foliage) and 8 bags of mixed egg layer(to stick up for winter feeding)
I paid around $350 because my daughter added some items she wanted to get her little sister, who will be showing a market steer at the fair for the first time, for Christmas; I'm and I leave. When I arrive home I unload and put away all my feed, until I come to my chick starter and I see it's medicated; we are all human, mistakes happen🤷‍♀️. I call and arrange an exchange the following day.

The following day I drive the hour back down, 1 way, to exchange my the medicated feed for 2 bags of non medicated chick starter. As the worker loads me I see the bag says livestock feed and I questioned him. "Are you sure that is chick starter, it says livestock feed? " he replied "yes, we only carry 3 types of crumble which is medicated, and non- medicated 20% chick starter and a layer crumble. We have sold this to the tri-state area for years without problems" I left confident that I had the right feed. When I get home, I fill my feeders give fresh water and proceeded about my day.

The following day I go about my feed routine, everything is going great until I get to the guinea pin, where I found 3 dead guineas. Now my guineas are only a week old; considering it was my first time raising them, I thought it may have been from the stress transporting them or something I did. I removed the deceased, bury them and continued about my day.

During my evening feed check, I find 2 more guineas dead; again I figure I must be doing something wrong since it's only affecting my guineas. Determined to figure out what was going wrong with my guineas, I start a deep dive into how to raise guineas. The only thing I find that I was doing was using pine chips as bedding, which I thought might be killing them. I rush to change the bedding and turn in fir the night.

The following morning I make my rounds again, paying special attention to guineas, 2 had died, leaving me 1 left. The next pin I now have 1 chick dead and 1 who looked as if he was on his way out! Finally this point I realize something else is going on and start racking my brain to figure out what we did differently. The only thing we changed was the food, instantly I pulled the food!

My next step was to call the feed store and discuss what happened and what could be wrong with the feed they provided me. They assured me nothing was wrong and that it had to be something else. She said she would further investigate the problem and call me back.

She called me back and stated, "the head of wildlife came in and she discussed it with him even if I had fed my ducks or guineas medicated it wouldn't have harmed them; that he feeds it to his flock all the time! Further stating the feedthey sold me was chick starter! " Now I'm unsure where this statement came from as I was concerned about the feed not being a chick starter as I knew it wasn't medicated. I'm starting to believe that these so called experts are NOT experts and call the manufacturer. The manufacturer asks me to refer to the tag attached to the bag. I inform the manufacturer that a tag wasn't attached to this particular bag; however I had another bag at our other farm and would check there! I was told since the tag was MIA there was no way to identify my feed; also, it should not have been sold it without the tag it! The only option left was to direct me to the regional sales reps, which I received his cell number, called and left a message.

In the meantime I headed to the other farm to check for a tag on the other bag I purchased. Luckily the tag was still attached to the other bag but by this time the mill I purchased the feed from was closed. I called another mill and told them what happened to my flock; then read him the information from the tag. The other mills owner requested pictures of the bag and tag text to him during our conversation, which I obliged. He examined the photos and said " your problem was the feed; examine the small print! The instructions say for poultry over 8 weeks! " this destroyed me as i trusted the experts and didn't even think to read the small print.

Today the sales rep called me, we discussed everything that happened to my flock, the feed I was sold and what the feed store told me; also requesting pictures of the bag and tag. He assured me that what I was sold was NOT chick starter and apologized over and over to me; even offering me a free bag of feed. I explained that I was just happy to get to the bottom of the issue and requested he re-educate the mill to prevent this situation from happening to other first time feather parents, while declining the free bag of food. He promised he would be at the mill within the hour and the mill WOULD NOT sale this food as chick starter again!

If you have made it with me this far thank you for reading my story of stupidity and tragedy! Please use my experience as a precautionary tale to:

ALWAYS TRUST YOUR GUT, IF SOMETHING DOESN'T FEEL OR SOUND RIGHT IT PROBABLY ISN'T RIGHT!

IF THE TAG ISN'T ON THE BAG DON'T BUY IT

ALWAYS READ ALL TAGS, EVEN THE SMALL PRINT!

IF YOU ARE STILL UNSURE CALL SOMEONE FOR A SECOND OPINION!

Most importantly NEVER BLINDLY TRUST ANYONE, EVEN THE ONES THAT SHOULD BE EXPERTS, WITH YOUR BABIES FOOD!

Pictures below are of the bag and tag that I was sold as chick starter!


I felt it was urgent to get my experience out, to other first time feather parents, which is why i quickly wrote this in between chores and have not proof read it; therefore, please excuse all grammatical and spelling errors!

Thank you in advance
Momma Runyon
Thank you so much for sharing the experience, so that we can all learn... So sorry for your loss....
 

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