I know that LG incubators get hated around here, but my original incubator was/is a still air LG without turners. Once I tweaked it to my specifications, it worked pretty well. So, when I had a little extra money and someone offered to sell me another LG still air WITH turners, I bought it. Let it run a day or two, adjusted temps, all seemed well. The thermometer kept falling through the turners, but it was a "set it and forget it" situation with turners right? Wrong. Put my eggs in a couple of days into the ownership of this beast and checked temps once in a while, but had a hard time as the thermometer kept falling through...so imagine my surprise when I candled eggs on day 4 and ALL 13 leghorn eggs had BLOOD RINGS! I also have 2 bantam eggs with blood rings and 33 RIR eggs in there that are questionable but I can't see well enough to decide if they are dead or not yet. I thought it was bacteria. So...I transferred all the RIR eggs to my old LG standby for the duration of the disinfect of the new incubator. Let it air dry after treatment and turned it back on all night with no eggs in. Checked temp this morning (again thermometer had fallen but I fished it out) and imagine my surprise and distress to read a temp. of 117!! I am so mad right now. I hate having little lives lost, but this isn't only an emotional blow, it's a financial one as well because we had a waiting list of buyers for the chicks we would have had. Now we are out the money we paid for the eggs and any gain we would have had before this piece of crap incubator cooked all of our chicks. The guy I bought it from is a local poultry dealer and is well liked in my local poultry circle and as I am fairly new to chickens at all, I don't want to make too much of a stink about it b/c I don't want to taint potential relationships with other people in the circle...but I will not let this go completely either. I removed my turner to let the new LG sit on without turner for a while and so I can chart the temps...I believe the problem is the turner motor as it felt pretty hot. If, however, the removal of the turner doesn't fix the issue, I will contact the seller because I wouldn't have bought it if I knew it had temp problems...he told me when I bought it that it came from a third party who gave it to him as a trade for some chickens. I really didn't think this guy would pull this on me so I'm hoping he will be as apologetic as I think he should be. Beginning to think that only forced air LGs work with turners... Thanks for reading my rant!