He also has black Coturnix from k dale lines now, I lost mine to stray cats, they ripped right thru the prefab wire in my original pen that I use as a grow out, and pulled the birds thru, I was so sad. I had secured the wire to the frames because I was afraid the flimsy staple wouldn’t hold, but the cat just tore a hole right in the middle of the pen. But they were big and beautiful, I ordered 10 eggs from Garry, I received 12 and 11 hatched. 1 died early on but the rest thrived. I had similar excellent results with his buttons and I order 3-4 sets of eggs. Always a joy. If you can get a dialogue with him I’m sure he would have a lot of info on the fallows.