Am I annoyed or sympathetic?

Yote- around here that is affectionately referred to as "guvment cheese" and there was a thriving black market for it. Many, many people loved that cheese and were sad to see it go.
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The old system provided basic foods that were nutritious and filling and inexpensive. For X amount of money the gov't could provide food for a larger portion of the population than the current system that allows people to spend the money willy nilly. Just buying items in bulk would save the system money. Some of the money saved could be used to teach people better ways to cook nutritiously, how to do urban gardening so they could eat fresh fruits and veggies, how to be a little more self sufficient. The current system helps to propogate the spread of obesity and ill health among our nation's poorest people. It isn't working.

Clucky- those making the money have every right to decide what the money can be spent on (and in this case the gov't is standing in for those making the money). If you want something other than what those providing the money feel is healthy, then make the money yourself. No one is entitled to charity. No one is entitled to public housing. No one is entitled to food stamps. It is theoretically a gift to individuals from other individuals (through the medium of taxes) to help them out of a bad situation. When you are begging for help you cannot be choosy about what you get. You should just be happy to have food in your belly.

It is not a lack of compassion. It is wanting MY hard earned money to be used wisely. I cannot afford to waste my money. I have to carefully consider whether I can treat myself to special foods based on what my budget is like at the moment. Why on earth would I not demand that sort of accountability from someone else using MY MONEY?! Because that is the kicker- public assistance is not privately earned personal money. It is my money that I have earned that the gov't has taken from ME to give to someone else. I have every right to demand that my money is being used wisely.

And to clarify, I am not well off. I struggle financially, like many people on here. I just found out that my job is going away and I am frantically looking around everywhere for more work. I work every single day with serious physical disabilities. I could sit on my butt all day long and yet do not because I CAN work. I have spent the last six years working 60-70 hour work weeks making less than public school teachers despite hurting physically every single day. Yes. I get to decide that someone else taking my money should not get to spend it frivolously when I am living on beans and rice and bread and cheese. If those getting it are not grateful then they should pay for their own food. It is not a lack of compassion. It is called being fed up with the current attitude of entitlement.
 
Right now I have 3 adult children living at home my oldest just got divorce and has 2 little girls, my second DD is special needs and get SSI, she also get a personal asst part time to help take some of the work off of me. This job is done by my oldest daughter. My oldest DD makes around $900 a month, she get $107 in food stamps, she told them everyone that lives in the house. My oldest son also lives at home. My youngest child is 15 my DH works full time plus overtime. I do not work, I am trying for disability but so far I can not get it while my oldest DD's friend who is 24 just got SSI
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this girls also has no kids and gets over $200 a month food stamps and cash asst. My DD who makes less then $900 a month makes to much for any cash asst. This other girls lives at home pays no bills no rent nothing. My DD does pay rent and helps with bills. So I do think there is something broke with the system. This girls also buys only junk food and pop with her FS why because that is all she eats she won't eat healthy food at all. We all live in one house to help each other. Since I do have health issues cooking has become more difficult for myself, we do use t.v. dinners and frozen meats to help when I am to sick or we are to worn out to cook. We were also without income from DH unemployment due to rule changes for 4 months last winter so we did get behind. Once we are caught up we will be going back to making everything from scratch. On using coupons for food and with FS they charge you the tax on the coupons sometimes people don't have the cash to pay the tax so they can't use the coupons. I have seen this in the store. I am planting a huge garden this year and we have chickens for eggs, I am going to hatch out some eggs if I get a broody any roosters will be going to the freezer. I have an apple and nectarine tree and a raspberry bush planted. We are trying to grow as much of are own food as we can. Does my DD like being on food stamps no she does not but right now they are something we need to help us up. When we are on our feet the food stamps will go away. I also buy all the clothes for the family at yard sales or goodwill. I know that the economy is only going to get worse I just wish I had the land to raise all or most of are own food.
 
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Thats so cool that you are such a savy shopper! Kudos to you! I dont have such luck finding nicer stuff like what you describe in our local thrift stores or second hand shops- which, with 5 kids and one on the way, I frequent as often as possible. I dont judge anyone using FS by what they wear or drive- many of those things are misleading. I dont think you should have nothing nice, or have no car just because your accepting aide.

My answer to your last question regarding soda and candy is a resounding NO! Their child should NOT be getting soda or candy bought with FS. By the very name ' FOOD STAMP', buying anything else is not right. Only in America do people think they have some God-given right to have access to soda and candy, but for some reason think it should be free to them. But it ISNT free- it costs me, you, and every other tax payer. Since WHEN is candy, chips and soda food? It has NO nutritional value at all, and s detrimental to a childs health. If someone wants to feed that crap to themselves or their kids- fine (I'm certainly guilty of buying junk on occasion for my family, but with our own, very hard earned money) but to expect someone else to buy that junk for you or your kids is unacceptable.

If you are financially unable to feed yourself or your children ANYTHING AT ALL, then WHY is it wrong for the system to say to you - "Hey! I'll help ya out, the only thing I ask is you be responsible and buy decent real food with the money other people are giving you" Food Stamps ARENT a right, they are a privilege. If you or you kids want extras or junk or candy, then buy it yourself, with your own money. There is nothing wrong with that. If you are poor and cant afford the basics, what in the world are you doing buying junk??? Yes, I have a kinda tough attitude about this- but I look back to the days of rationing and the depression era and get a reality check. Those people were happy just to EAT, let alone have the nerve to be MAD cause they couldnt get a free candy bar.

So, I guess youre right, if your poor, your kid DOESNT get candy or soda in my way of thinking. They dont get it because you cant afford it. Just like they dont get a new bike or cable TV or a new X-box. They will survive just fine (probably better since candy and soda rot their teeth and its not healthy at all) and they will maybe be more motivated to do better in life so they can someday afford those things themselves in the future by working hard and achieving higher goals.
 
And gosh forbid that the kid's teeth have cavities and get all rotten (from all of these luxury soda pops and candy treats that were purchased with FS) and need the FREE dental care.
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The reason I feel sadness and anger at welfare cheats is simple: I love this country and I see it going downhill fast. Welfare should be for the needy, deserving, entitled, and "temporary." All of us likely have seen cheats all our lives. Today there is no reason for a deadbeat to leave welfare because welfare provides just about everything. We have seen generations of families on welfare. The schools in my area even send home food for some students for the weekend. Parenting is so miserable or non-existent today that maybe we should take the child at birth and raise it! IMO, recipients deserve ONLY basic help. A JOB provides the luxuries and extras. Cooking is simply following directions; it's not rocket science, but it is laziness when these people simply want to pop food into a microwave.

A man I knew died a few years ago from lung disease at 60. He was a heavy smoker. I doubt that he worked one hard day in his entire life. In his early years he lived off his mother and went from sibling to sibling--a large family. They finally kicked him out. The last 35 years he hooked up with two lonely widows 25 years his senior and lived off their social security and their children's money. One died and he sweet talked the other. The last couple of years of his life he managed to collect disability making more than I drew. Was I ticked?? You bet!! Remember Cabrini Green in Chicago, the public housing that was demolished? It was so crime ridden it was unlivable. Welfare, as we know it today, destroys good citizenship. And aren't we really talking about good citizenship?

Many of us need a "helping" hand at some point in our lives. You who are defending welfare cheats are not the subject of this thread.
 
I think food stamps should be done away with altogether. Instead, give those in need food, and I don't mean Dr. Pepper. I've just seen too much welfare fraud in my life. I bet if people had to work 40 hrs for their stamps, there would be a lot less people on welfare.

I'm in no way against helping those in need, but the way our government goes about it is absurd.
 
lol, I believe where there is a will, there is a way.

HOWEVER...

People follow the path of least resistance... at least, most of them.
People will always want the easy way out, but really what you "pay" for is "what you get"

If you need money, you'll figure a way around it. People are just lazy.
If you're running into issues, multiple at a time, you're probably the main cause of it, or if not, YOU and only you can fix it.
I no sometimes things do happen that put you at the bottom of the barrel (or at the end of one)
I no we all need help once in awhile, but let's face it, I'm finally learning "if you're unhappy, you helped cause it & only YOU can do things to be happy"

I run into children my age (early 20s on up) who believe their video games, cell phones & whatnot are their LIVES. They are "poor" but cannot afford to give up their games, etc. etc. etc.
I just got an ipod this year... best thing ever. But let's face it, if I were desperate (which I have been) I'd be selling it.

I meet people who refuse to get a job at Walmart... if you're desperate enough, you will get a job. I say it too, but you bet your butt, if I had to, you'd see me flippin' burger.

You need to use your head LOL I suppose these people on welfare (at least the scammers) are usin' their head too... but for greed and selfishness which I am against =/
 
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I've been saving up for a year to get a cavity filled *grumbles* I brush and floss consistently. So here is another rant. Why are dentists so dang high and hey refuse things like payment plans and care credit cards that are designed for dentists? Argh! And don't get me started on that blasted night guard stuff for a thousand dollars that you could get for twenty dollars offline and works just the same
 

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