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[ChickNmamma]

Ok- I think I may have just answered my own question lol.

Based on Donna having all Lavender birds but hatching occasional Whites the Lavender must be dominate. So if I cross my pure Lavenders with a recessive White I will get all Lavenders on the first cross but if I breed the F1's together I will get a mix of Whites and Lavenders.

Lavender isn't dominant.. but lav/lav + lav/lav will always produce lav/lav (Lavender). The problem is she has recessive white hiding under the Lavender. When she makes crosses that produce two recessive whites - whoops - she has a white bird instead of her Lavender. Since both parents who are producing these white birds only have one copy of recessive white.. you only get white birds 25% of the time, and ONLY from those specific birds. However, their other kids could now be hiding recessive white too (50% chance of that)...

If you cross your Lavender bird with a White bird that hides Lavender.. then you will get all Lavender birds the first generation. If your White bird is split to lavender you will produce 50/50. And yes, you will get a mix the second generation....

 

[DMRippy]

Ok- I think I may have just answered my own question lol.

Based on Donna having all Lavender birds but hatching occasional Whites the Lavender must be dominate. So if I cross my pure Lavenders with a recessive White I will get all Lavenders on the first cross but if I breed the F1's together I will get a mix of Whites and Lavenders.

I have splits too BUT these whites seem to ALL be lavender at hatch. I have a Lavender roo, 2 Lavender hens and 3 splits. I hatch MORE lavenders than splits or whites. I am sure it is coming from my roo but he is only passing it off to 1/2 his chicks. The pullets in that pen are all from him or his brother. They don't ALL have it. I might test mate the Splits with my whites when I grow up a white roo and see if I get any whites from the splits. I really don't want the white in my lavs. I don't mind Silver LOL

 

[DMRippy]

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I have NO WHITE BIRDS in that pen. I have 1 WHITE Pullet I am growing out in another pen. I am going to single mate her to my Lavender roo to get some whites to work with. Most of those chicks will be white.... the rest will be Lavender I am sure.

 

[Thespoiledchicken]

Lavender isn't dominant.. but lav/lav + lav/lav will always produce lav/lav (Lavender). If you cross your Lavender bird with a White bird that hides Lavender.. then you will get all Lavender birds the first generation. If your White bird is split to lavender you will produce 50/50. And yes, you will get a mix the second generation....

That's exactly what I was thinking- it seems Lav is dominant over the White but once you have a visually Lavender bird split for White then you get 50 50. Maybe 75/25?

 

[DMRippy]

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Not exactly.... My lavender birds only have 1 copy of rec white it does not express in my breeders. When you breed 2 birds that each have 1 copy of rec white you will get white chicks because some will have 2 copies of rec white. Recessive white is like lavender it needs two copies to show. The WHITE is going to show over the Lavender when you get a chick with 2 copies of Rec White and 2 Copies of Lavender. Since the white express over the lavender it is more dominate than lavender but not dominate white.

Boy this could get really confusing.

 

[Thespoiledchicken]

 

[ChickNmamma]

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Not exactly.... My lavender birds only have 1 copy of rec white it does not express in my breeders. When you breed 2 birds that each have 1 copy of rec white you will get white chicks because some will have 2 copies of rec white. Recessive white is like lavender it needs two copies to show. The WHITE is going to show over the Lavender when you get a chick with 2 copies of Rec White and 2 Copies of Lavender. Since the white express over the lavender it is more dominate than lavender but not dominate white.

Boy this could get really confusing.

Yes, I think that is why most people do not cross to whites.. it takes careful record keeping and removing all white or carrier birds to get back to your original color without having white popping up like it did on you...

 

[DMRippy]

Yeah... we have not even talked about the silver that could be in there too

Got new chicks coming next week hopefully.

Let see what happens with them

If you have not figured it out, I am keep some whites to work with.... I really like them they are very pretty birds.

 

[ChickNmamma]

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Oh good - you have a place for all those white and white carrier birds. Yes, they are very pretty! I think silver based whites are supposed to be the whitest whites..

More chicks hatching out?



I think that's why white is the easiest color to maintain in a flock - that recessive white hides almost everything so you can put just about anything you want under there (except mottling I think - it shows on the skin)...

 

[chickenlady099]

yay i have chicks hatching tomorrow