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[Thespoiledchicken]

That is a really good genetics question. Since my understanding of recessive white is that it covers all colors (it represses any pigment in the feathers) - it would cover the black that lav would would modify - so it would be hidden. It probably shows in the chick down (the gray) but would disappear when they are adults. It is possible the chicks that are mostly gray are actually lavender, and do not have two recessive white genes.

Has anybody else tried this mix in real life and what were the results?

This is exactly what I am wondering

If I have a recessive White (possibly split to Lavender) than breeding back to lavender could give me a mix of the 2 colors (I think) since the White is covering Lavender

 

[DMRippy]

My chicks hatch with gray and are lavender. I have NEVER hatched a black split that turned white. I wonder if the lav and white travel together?

You can test mate them. BUT don't use any you got from me. They could still carry rec white. If you breed the whites to a Lavender you would get either ALL lavs or Lavs and splits that would tell you if they are REALLY lavender.

Here are some pics of the chicks I hatched that turned white or Lav.

The one in the bottom left corner turned white



Both these chicks turned white



Same chicks 2 white and 2 lavs. The chipmunk think is silver too... I think.



Same chicks







If anyone can shed some light on these chicks I am all ears.

 

[ChickNmamma]

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Um... no. It doesn't work that way.

Genetic colors are not paint, they do not "mix"...

Recessive white - one copy does not show - except maybe in chick down. It disappears when they grow up. Will not show in the feathers at all. That's why its called "recessive" it doesn't show when there is only one copy.

Recessive white - two copies = white bird. No other color in the feathers.

IF your White is black based split to lav your chicks would be (crossed to Lavender) : Lavender split to recessive white 50%, Black split to both lav and recessive white 50%

Somebody please check my math!.. I think that's right...nope..fixed it

 

[Thespoiledchicken]

My chicks hatch with gray and are lavender. I have NEVER hatched a black split that turned white. I wonder if the lav and white travel together?

You can test mate them. BUT don't use any you got from me. They could still carry rec white. If you breed the whites to a Lavender you would get either ALL lavs or Lavs and splits that would tell you if they are REALLY lavender.

Here are some pics of the chicks I hatched that turned white or Lav.

The one in the bottom left corner turned white



Both these chicks turned white



Same chicks 2 white and 2 lavs. The chipmunk think is silver too... I think.



Same chicks







If anyone can shed some light on these chicks I am all ears.

Donna I just had a thought- White can't be dominate because if it was then some of your Lavenders would be White

 

[DMRippy]

It is late and I may be wrong but I don't think that is right. Lav x Lav Split will produce 50% lavender and 50% split to lavender so when you add the Rec White in that white bird will pass rec white off to 100% of the chicks. SO you would get 50% Lav x Split to Rec White and 50% Black split to Lav and Rec White.

If you cross those white chicks and they are Lavender to a Lavender you will get 100% lavender chicks split to Rec White.

 

[ChickNmamma]

My chicks hatch with gray and are lavender. I have NEVER hatched a black split that turned white. I wonder if the lav and white travel together?

You can test mate them. BUT don't use any you got from me. They could still carry rec white. If you breed the whites to a Lavender you would get either ALL lavs or Lavs and splits that would tell you if they are REALLY lavender.

Here are some pics of the chicks I hatched that turned white or Lav.

The one in the bottom left corner turned white


Both these chicks turned white


Same chicks 2 white and 2 lavs. The chipmunk think is silver too... I think.


Same chicks


If anyone can shed some light on these chicks I am all ears.

No, if they are black they will stay black - but they might be split to both recessive white AND lavender... which means they will create all white chicks too.

I think the problem is that the white chicks and the lavender chicks look so close in coloring. The chick down may be showing the lav gene - but as they grow it gets covered by the two copies of the recessive white.

I hope Jerry stops in on this one- I believe he used whites to improve his Lavenders. I think he said he took out ALL the white birds - and any birds who produced white chicks when crossed to a white bird..?

 

[DMRippy]

Donna I just had a thought- White can't be dominate because if it was then some of your Lavenders would be White

I have White Lavender chicks/pullet. They are white and hatched grey and yellow. It happened one time with my first hatch, thought it was just a fluke... more common now that I have pullets being breed back to sire. It is recessive white.... not dominate white. BUT it is covering the Lavender for sure. They don't have the brittle feathers either. Perfectly normal feathers.

 

[Thespoiledchicken]

Ok- I think I may have just answered my own question lol.

Based on Donna having all Lavender birds but hatching occasional Whites the Lavender must be dominate. So if I cross my pure Lavenders with a recessive White I will get all Lavenders on the first cross but if I breed the F1's together I will get a mix of Whites and Lavenders.

 

[ChickNmamma]

It is late and I may be wrong but I don't think that is right. Lav x Lav Split will produce 50% lavender and 50% split to lavender so when you add the Rec White in that white bird will pass rec white off to 100% of the chicks. SO you would get 50% Lav x Split to Rec White and 50% Black split to Lav and Rec White.

If you cross those white chicks and they are Lavender to a Lavender you will get 100% lavender chicks split to Rec White.

Yes.. I fixed it...

And yes, you are right on the second one too...

And if you cross those lav or lav splits above to a white you will get all white chicks...

 

[Thespoiledchicken]

I have White Lavender chicks/pullet. They are white and hatched grey and yellow. It happened one time with my first hatch, thought it was just a fluke... more common now that I have pullets being breed back to sire. It is recessive white.... not dominate white. BUT it is covering the Lavender for sure. They don't have the brittle feathers either. Perfectly normal feathers.

Are your breeders visually White or Lavender?