Ameraucana thread for posting pictures and discussing our birds

[csr326]

I think people forget that Blue, Black and Splash are their own variety. So why breed them together. BBS is not one single variety combined, and I think breeders tend to forget that.

Yes you can breed all of them together, but should you? That's the question.

Yes you can breed them and get good birds, but that's not helping future generations. Sooner or later flaws are going to start popping up cause of it.

Gold and silver are sexlinked so that means the males will inherit both genes if parents are a BBS mixture. Females will inherit only the fathers base color.

I believe this as do most of the breeders who created the breed agree with this as well. Is that if you cross breed these varieties, only use the female of the color of the father.

Example

Blue rooster x Black hen = blue daughter only
Blk rooster x blue hen = black daughter only

I believe to end up with the best blues you have to breed blue to blue/splash if they are pure for silver. To end up with the best blacks breed black to black.

 

[fried green eggs]

Fried Green,
just curious, why aren't you breeding black-black and blue/splash to blue?

I was thinking that might be the source of the leakage in that cockerel.

-Pat

Hi Pat, Sorry been busy all day. I think I need to do another picture of this splash guy because this picture really makes him look like he has a brown/gold hue and today in bright sunlight - he doesn't look like the picture at all. He's one I bought as a chick from a well known breeder so, I don't know. I probably will change some of my breeding pens around once the weather warms up. Right now I just have roosters with hen that are from different breeding and so far there chicks are mostly blacks and blues. I gave my Maren roo some of the splash hens and hoping I can get some OE.

 

[DonumDei]

Hi Pat, Sorry been busy all day. I think I need to do another picture of this splash guy because this picture really makes him look like he has a brown/gold hue and today in bright sunlight - he doesn't look like the picture at all.  He's one I bought as a chick from a well known breeder so, I don't know. I probably will change some of my breeding pens around once the weather warms up. Right now I just have roosters with hen that are from different breeding and so far there chicks are mostly blacks and blues. I gave my Maren roo some of the splash hens and hoping I can get some OE.

No worries! I hope it is the pic bc he is a beauty!

 

[tigercreek]

I think people forget that Blue, Black and Splash are their own variety. So why breed them together. BBS is not one single variety combined, and I think breeders tend to forget that.

Yes you can breed all of them together, but should you? That's the question.

Yes you can breed them and get good birds, but that's not helping future generations. Sooner or later flaws are going to start popping up cause of it.

Gold and silver are sexlinked so that means the males will inherit both genes if parents are a BBS mixture. Females will inherit only the fathers base color.

I believe this as do most of the breeders who created the breed agree with this as well. Is that if you cross breed these varieties, only use the female of the color of the father.

Example

Blue rooster x Black hen = blue daughter only
Blk rooster x blue hen = black daughter only

I believe to end up with the best blues you have to breed blue to blue/splash if they are pure for silver. To end up with the best blacks breed black to black.

I am not a genetics expert, and still learning, so bear with me O.K.??? I think there is a lot of wrong information here.....blue and black, splash are their own variety true, but that has nothing to do with the base color of the bird. A blue bird is genetically the same as a black with the dilute gene added....a splash having a double dose...blue or black has nothing to do with the base color...a blue bird can be gold or silver based, same for a black bird....so what we are talking about here is should you cross gold based birds with silver based birds?....not black and blue...the current thinking by SOME of the top breeders is to breed silver based blue to silver based blue, and gold based black to gold based black. All of the best breeders are not on board with this thinking...
as for the flaws popping up and ruining the bird? The only flaw I can think of is leakage.......conformation of the bird is not changed by color.....
I'm going to have to go back and check, but I'm not so sure we are talking about sex linked gold and silver either....

 

[dstokely]

I think people forget that Blue, Black and Splash are their own variety. So why breed them together. BBS is not one single variety combined, and I think breeders tend to forget that.

Yes you can breed all of them together, but should you? That's the question.

Yes you can breed them and get good birds, but that's not helping future generations. Sooner or later flaws are going to start popping up cause of it.

Gold and silver are sexlinked so that means the males will inherit both genes if parents are a BBS mixture. Females will inherit only the fathers base color.

I believe this as do most of the breeders who created the breed agree with this as well. Is that if you cross breed these varieties, only use the female of the color of the father.

Example

Blue rooster x Black hen = blue daughter only
Blk rooster x blue hen = black daughter only

I believe to end up with the best blues you have to breed blue to blue/splash if they are pure for silver. To end up with the best blacks breed black to black.

So what colors are the males going to be? From my reading, there is no way to tell if you have gold based or silver based unless you do a genetics test? I have also read that it doesn't matter whether you breed black or silver. Since at most, I am going to have a small flock, I will be doing bbs breeding. My stock came from a very experienced quality breeder (ABC) and he did the same. Who knows, maybe over time, I will read more and change my mind. I continue to learn a lot from these postings, from ABC postings and probably will from the new club forming.

 

[jerryse]

In the past I have not joined the silver versus gold camp on blues and blacks . However I will breed this way in the future because of the lacing trend . I do not want to introduce lacing into the lavender in the future . Not sure how it will react . I plan to only do splash x blue breeding to avoid blacks from the blue .

 

[Hinotori]

Example

Blue rooster x Black hen = blue daughter only
Blk rooster x blue hen = black daughter only

This is wrong. Blue is a dilution of black and is not sex linked. If it was you couldn't have splash hens.

 

[dstokely]

In the past I have not joined the silver versus gold camp on blues and blacks . However I will breed this way in the future because of the lacing trend . I do not want to introduce lacing into the lavender in the future . Not sure how it will react . I plan to only do splash x blue breeding to avoid blacks from the blue .

You are a one of the original breeders and I do value your opinion. Where do you get silver based blacks? Or is it silver based blues I want? Also, I understood that you breed back to blacks to keep the blues a deeper color and not faded? I would like a a summarized 101 version, but I know genetics is not that simple.(smile). Then do you keep your gold based blacks from your silver based blacks.................my head hurts.

 

[jerryse]

You are a one of the original breeders and I do value your opinion. Where do you get silver based blacks? Or is it silver based blues I want? Also, I understood that you breed back to blacks to keep the blues a deeper color and not faded? I would like a a summarized 101 version, but I know genetics is not that simple.(smile). Then do you keep your gold based blacks from your silver based blacks.................my head hurts.

I will try to explain . I guess it is not really silver versus red/ gold but extended black versus birchen as Brown red is a red birchen . Extended black is the chicks that have the white wing tips and white belly . Birchen based chicks hatch totally black . So they want birchen base for BBS and extended black for black and lavender . I chose to no longer breed black from blue by doing splash x blue mating . I can do this this year in LF but not bantam . I will have to save some splash from the bantam this year . I seriously considered dropping blue due to the lacing issue . These laced birds are going to be the winners in blues as they become established . I have mixed feelings about the pattern gene coming into the breed . Time will tell .

 

[csr326]

It's not wrong, it's correct.,

I'm not talking about color modifiers like blue, but foundation base colors.

I never said blue is sexlinked. But Gold and Silver are. Re-read it


The example I posted was to show that those daughters who are the same color as their father would be ok to use if you were crossing blue and black. IMO
I got this info from one of the creators of the breed. Best blues are silver based and best blacks are gold based.

Im sure you can get good blacks that are silver based and vice versa with gold base blues.