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Question to clarify...If I want strengthen a feature in my Ams and breed them to another breed to do it, and the result meets SOP for Ams, but it has another breeds blood in the mix....it's ok? For show purposes? What about selling of the offspring as Ams? As long as it breeds true 50% of the time is it ok? Is it still considered an Am, or would I need to tell buyers, judges, anyone else that it had X bred into X generations ago?
I'm trying to wrap my head around the 50% factor too. So AMs are a designer breed then? I still like them but now don't feel so bad that I'm going to use this girl too - she came from a blue egg, has almost black legs, and a beard/muff. She's young yet (Easter hatch) and every time I look at her, her beard gets larger. This picture is from three weeks ago.

 
I'm trying to wrap my head around the 50% factor too. So AMs are a designer breed then? I still like them but now don't feel so bad that I'm going to use this girl too - she came from a blue egg, has almost black legs, and a beard/muff. She's young yet (Easter hatch) and every time I look at her, her beard gets larger. This picture is from three weeks ago.

No, Ameraucanas are no more "designer breed" than any other chicken breed is. They do not have a registry. Many breeds that do have registries allow crossing to other breeds. Example: Quarterhorses allow crosses to (approved) Thoroughbreds. The resulting foal is registered as a purebred Quarterhorse.
 
Question to clarify...If I want strengthen a feature in my Ams and breed them to another breed to do it, and the result meets SOP for Ams, but it has another breeds blood in the mix....it's ok?  For show purposes?  What about selling of the offspring as Ams?  As long as it breeds true 50% of the time is it ok?  Is it still considered an Am, or would I need to tell buyers, judges, anyone else that it had X bred into X generations ago?
For shows all it needs to do is meet the SOPs... If I was selling birds that had been recently outcrossed, i would call them a project and clearly state what they were and what they could be hiding. Actually, I wouldn't sell any birds that didnt consistently produce SOP offspring... Not saying show quality but birds of the proper color and type unless the person was working on the same project. I currently have AMs from a breeder that looked great; large , typey, excellent color... I was pretty happy until year two when my black rooster started leaking gold... His size made me decide to keep him and try to work through it. Well, i bred him back to one of his daughters and got a clean faced cockerel... Then realized that some of the offspring had yellow feet... Two years of work down the drain. My whole flock is compromised other than my lavenders and will need to be culled eventually. I cant even sell any eggs or chicks in good conscious until i work through these issues. Luckily i dont have to rely on my chickens to pay their own way but if I did it would be a real hardship. So at worst case you should inform buyers on where your birds are if there are potential issues hiding under the surface best case wait until they are consistently back to SOP before releasing them to buyers... Just my opinion.
 
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I'm trying to wrap my head around the 50% factor too. So AMs are a designer breed then? I still like them but now don't feel so bad that I'm going to use this girl too - she came from a blue egg, has almost black legs, and a beard/muff. She's young yet (Easter hatch) and every time I look at her, her beard gets larger. This picture is from three weeks ago.


Pretty green sheen! I'm working with a white I just got yesterday. They are SOOOOO hard to find around here that I got her while I could. I'm going to keep looking for others of better quality for future generations... I'm trying to breed to white on some others and using a different breed with a dominant white gene vs the Am's recessive white gene would be faster....but I figured I need to stay with Ams to keep the blood line pure.....maybe not? I was thinking of bringing in a white Minorca or Bresse...then I just need to get the blue egg back, which might not be too hard since the blue egg gene is dominant... here's my white girl at 5 months old
 
Pretty green sheen! I'm working with a white I just got yesterday. They are SOOOOO hard to find around here that I got her while I could. I'm going to keep looking for others of better quality for future generations... I'm trying to breed to white on some others and using a different breed with a dominant white gene vs the Am's recessive white gene would be faster....but I figured I need to stay with Ams to keep the blood line pure.....maybe not? I was thinking of bringing in a white Minorca or Bresse...then I just need to get the blue egg back, which might not be too hard since the blue egg gene is dominant... here's my white girl at 5 months old
Hmmm... Then I just need to the blue egg back... Certainly can be done but you might be forgetting a few things... Type, eye color, slate legs, white skin, red ear lobes... Just sayin.
 
Hmmm... Then I just need to the blue egg back... Certainly can be done but you might be forgetting a few things... Type, eye color, slate legs, white skin, red ear lobes... Just sayin.

right...this girl needs works...another breed would need other different work....its just so hard to find white Ams around here...not to mention show qualtiy...easier to find Bresse....maybe I'll try a pen with Ams and a pen with a Bresse bred in...or Minorca.. I'd much rather keep all Am blood though...

And thanks for the thoughts. Good points!
 
No, Ameraucanas are no more "designer breed" than any other chicken breed is. They do not have a registry. Many breeds that do have registries allow crossing to other breeds. Example: Quarterhorses allow crosses to (approved) Thoroughbreds. The resulting foal is registered as a purebred Quarterhorse.
Actually they are registered Appendix QH (I have two). I think once it is less that 1/16 TB it goes to the standard registry.

And way back there were other breeds crossed into QH - Arab, Morgan, etc. to make a type. :) It's just tracked (or hidden).

I forgot that chickens don't have registries! :)
 
Pretty green sheen! I'm working with a white I just got yesterday. They are SOOOOO hard to find around here that I got her while I could. I'm going to keep looking for others of better quality for future generations... I'm trying to breed to white on some others and using a different breed with a dominant white gene vs the Am's recessive white gene would be faster....but I figured I need to stay with Ams to keep the blood line pure.....maybe not? I was thinking of bringing in a white Minorca or Bresse...then I just need to get the blue egg back, which might not be too hard since the blue egg gene is dominant... here's my white girl at 5 months old
Thanks - but (shock) she's EE. However, I have an EE roo that is consistent with jet black feathers and almost black legs and mostly beards! The only problem is the one with the dark legs is silver and the one with shiny black feathers has yellow legs! Time for more controlled breeding!

Very pretty girl!
 
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Question to clarify...If I want strengthen a feature in my Ams and breed them to another breed to do it, and the result meets SOP for Ams, but it has another breeds blood in the mix....it's ok?  For show purposes?  What about selling of the offspring as Ams?  As long as it breeds true 50% of the time is it ok?  Is it still considered an Am, or would I need to tell buyers, judges, anyone else that it had X bred into X generations ago?


Yes you can show them. If you do sell them tell the person who is buying them. If they breed two of the crosses together, they won't all breed true. Some will be clean faced, some will have who knows what??? Depends on the cross.
 

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