Ameraucana thread for posting pictures and discussing our birds

[Miss Ameraucana]

I did get it!!! There is hope for me yet! But, Don't ask me to explain it! lol

Lol! Ditto!

 

[Ravynscroft]

Well, thank you for that, but Jerry is light years ahead of me.  Remember - he was one of the founding breeders for the Ameraucanas!  I was still riding around horse shows and hoping my saddle didn't slip when he started with these birds!

Oh, I remember!

You're still ahead of me though! lol

I'm trying to catch up! The info on recessive white was really good from all who posted! I was clueless too marchick.
I'm right with you girl!
You have a lot of knowledge Ravyn! You have been very kind & patient with me in the past. You helped me so much when I had all my bird problems. Remember? You were my Angel that week. You probably saved their lives!
You were so kind Ravyn I don't know what I would have done without YOU. Thank you!

I was just glad I could help...

Never fear to ask a question and you will always learn and move forward...

I know exactly what you mean!  First time I talked to THE Jean Ribbeck - the creator of my foundation line of wheatens/blue wheatens - I was shaking in my boots!  Didn't keep me from talking though.  Hubby says he doesn't know anything that will keep me from talking.

And now we're talking to THE Susan M!!!

 

[Miss Ameraucana]

Oh, I remember!

You're still ahead of me though! lol
I was just glad I could help...

Never fear to ask a question and you will always learn and move forward...
And now we're talking to THE Susan M!!!

I agree with Ravyn!

 

[samouw]

You guys are going to give me a big head! Then I might get all snotty and not talk to the new guys anymore! And, I'd go nuts!

 

[samouw]

Wow!! That's awesome! Maybe there's hope for me yet! Lol

Yep, in a couple of years, we'll all be talking THE brucvl!

 

[samouw]

Ok, crash course in (very) basic genetics, without getting into meiosis, mitosis, halitosis..or any of those other -osis terms that muddle things up.

There are basically two types of genes - dominant and recessive. Each chicken, for that matter each of us, has two copies of every genetic trait. One side comes from the male parent and one comes from the female parent. A dominant trait is a bossy trait - it's going to show its stuff, even if only one side is the dominant one. A recessive trait is the wallflower - it has to be coaxed out in public, and then only if it is holding hands with its twin.

Without getting into incomplete dominance, crossing over, epistatic, codominance, or any of those other complicated processes by which new, and truly unique individuals are created, lets say that we have a trait called "lavender". Lavender is a true recessive, so it will only show its face in public if it is paired with another just like it. If the dominant "lavender" gene shows up, it keeps the weaker, recessive side in a corner.

When referring to various genetic traits, it is easier to express them as letters, rather than spelling them out completely. And, typically, the recessive is expressed as a small letter, or "l", and the dominant, bully, side is expressed as a capital, "L". So, if both parents can only contribute a dominant "L", the baby will have "LL", or be "homozygous dominant" and will not express, or show, any lavender coloration. Are you with me so far?

Now, let's say that one parent is this homozygous dominant, but the other parent is carrying one dominant "L" and one recessive "l". That recessive "l" is not going to be expressed in that parent, because the bully "L" is keeping it in the corner, but it can share that "l" with its children. Since the other parent can only contribute the dominant "L", those children that receive the recessive "l" from this parent will all be "splits" - or heterozygous with the "Ll". Of course, those children, just liked its mixed parent, will not show lavender coloration.

But, if you take that mixed "Ll" and breed it to another "split" "Ll", then there is a possibility that each parent will contribute the recessive "l" to one, or more, of its children. Those children will be "ll", or homozygous recessive. And guess what color they will be? Lavender. Since there is no bully dominant trait to keep it in a corner, those shy little twins will march right out in public and say, "here we are!".

One of the most useful tools in contemplating genetics is the Punnett Square. It was developed a very long time ago, by an early geneticist named, of course, Reginald C Punnett, who was also the Professor of Genetics at the prestigious Cambridge University. It is a very simple little tool for calculating the odds of, either getting what you want from a breeding or anticipating what you don't want. Here is how it works.

L​

L
L​

l​

I've put the letters representing each parent's genetic indicators for lavender - the male across the top (in blue) and the female down the side (in red). Remember our male is homozygous dominant, "LL" and our female is heterozygous, or "Ll" - also known as split for lavender.

In each square I copy the corresponding letter from each parent, so in the first "child" row and in the first "child" column, I copy the blue "L" from above and the red "L" from the left. And I continue that process until all the "child" squares are full.

L​

L
L​

LL​

LL
l​

Ll​

Ll​

Two of the four child squares are "LL", or homyzygous dominant, just like their daddy. Two of the child squares are "Ll", just like their mom. None of these children will be lavender, but two of them, or 50%, could pass on the lavender trait.

You can play with this Punnett Square to see what other possible combinations can be achieved. Each child square represents, statistically, 25% of the children from that breeding.

Ok, I'm moving away from the podium for a while. Hope this helps.

 

[scflock]

Ravyn You can slap me now!!!! If you don't! I know scflock will!

Nope, I've been reading everything Jerry told you to learn myself

Heck no, I won't!! And neither will SC!! It's not easy to learn from short text posts... visuals help a lot...

I was just staying out of it cuz I didn't want to confuse you more!

Exactly!!!

Is great to have such knowledgeable and patient people taking the time to help others too!!

X2

All the more reason for me to not add to your confusion, lol!

Seriously, Jerry and Susan are mega leagues above me... one day I hope to have a 10th of their knowledge...

What I have learned from this is I'm hoping Johnny will throw a white

Really, at this point, I'm just hoping Johnny will throw anything

LOL!! That's better. LOL

I'm a big breeder. 6'2 and 250

I know exactly what you mean! First time I talked to THE Jean Ribbeck - the creator of my foundation line of wheatens/blue wheatens - I was shaking in my boots! Didn't keep me from talking though. Hubby says he doesn't know anything that will keep me from talking.

I felt the same way when I talked to Paul, it was like meeting a famous person. I was so impressed by how he talked to me just like a normal person, and was more than willing to help me with my silly newbie questions

Interesting! Thanks so much
Susan! I will never learn all of this in this lifetime but hopefully some of it will sink in!

I embarrass myself all the time lol! But if I don't ask I won't learn a thing!

A few of us are in the same boat as you, we just don't post here as much because we are busy smacking people on other threads

Once you get the chicks and can actually look at them in person, a lot of this stuff starts making more sense

 

[marchick]

Ok, crash course in (very) basic genetics, without getting into meiosis, mitosis, halitosis..or any of those other -osis terms that muddle things up.

There are basically two types of genes - dominant and recessive. Each chicken, for that matter each of us, has two copies of every genetic trait. One side comes from the male parent and one comes from the female parent. A dominant trait is a bossy trait - it's going to show its stuff, even if only one side is the dominant one. A recessive trait is the wallflower - it has to be coaxed out in public, and then only if it is holding hands with its twin.

Without getting into incomplete dominance, crossing over, epistatic, codominance, or any of those other complicated processes by which new, and truly unique individuals are created, lets say that we have a trait called "lavender". Lavender is a true recessive, so it will only show its face in public if it is paired with another just like it. If the dominant "lavender" gene shows up, it keeps the weaker, recessive side in a corner.

When referring to various genetic traits, it is easier to express them as letters, rather than spelling them out completely. And, typically, the recessive is expressed as a small letter, or "l", and the dominant, bully, side is expressed as a capital, "L". So, if both parents can only contribute a dominant "L", the baby will have "LL", or be "homozygous dominant" and will not express, or show, any lavender coloration. Are you with me so far?

Now, let's say that one parent is this homozygous dominant, but the other parent is carrying one dominant "L" and one recessive "l". That recessive "l" is not going to be expressed in that parent, because the bully "L" is keeping it in the corner, but it can share that "l" with its children. Since the other parent can only contribute the dominant "L", those children that receive the recessive "l" from this parent will all be "splits" - or heterozygous with the "Ll". Of course, those children, just liked its mixed parent, will not show lavender coloration.

But, if you take that mixed "Ll" and breed it to another "split" "Ll", then there is a possibility that each parent will contribute the recessive "l" to one, or more, of its children. Those children will be "ll", or homozygous recessive. And guess what color they will be? Lavender. Since there is no bully dominant trait to keep it in a corner, those shy little twins will march right out in public and say, "here we are!".

One of the most useful tools in contemplating genetics is the Punnett Square. It was developed a very long time ago, by an early geneticist named, of course, Reginald C Punnett, who was also the Professor of Genetics at the prestigious Cambridge University. It is a very simple little tool for calculating the odds of, either getting what you want from a breeding or anticipating what you don't want. Here is how it works.

L​

L
L​

l​

I've put the letters representing each parent's genetic indicators for lavender - the male across the top (in blue) and the female down the side (in red). Remember our male is homozygous dominant, "LL" and our female is heterozygous, or "Ll" - also known as split for lavender.

In each square I copy the corresponding letter from each parent, so in the first "child" row and in the first "child" column, I copy the blue "L" from above and the red "L" from the left. And I continue that process until all the "child" squares are full.

L​

L
L​

LL​

LL
l​

Ll​

Ll​

Two of the four child squares are "LL", or homyzygous dominant, just like their daddy. Two of the child squares are "Ll", just like their mom. None of these children will be lavender, but two of them, or 50%, could pass on the lavender trait.

You can play with this Punnett Square to see what other possible combinations can be achieved. Each child square represents, statistically, 25% of the children from that breeding.

Ok, I'm moving away from the podium for a while. Hope this helps.

So take that up one breeding please! If recessive white instead of recessive lavender on the chart! it would be 50% Ii correct? So the parents of my chicks would be Ii x Ii ? Then 25% of chicks would be II, 50% would be Ii,25% would be ii and thats what I have? lol Have you given up on me yet!!!

 

[marchick]

Nope, I've been reading everything Jerry told you to learn myself

X2
What I have learned from this is I'm hoping Johnny will throw a white

Really, at this point, I'm just hoping Johnny will throw anything

I'm a big breeder. 6'2 and 250

I felt the same way when I talked to Paul, it was like meeting a famous person. I was so impressed by how he talked to me just like a normal person, and was more than willing to help me with my silly newbie questions

A few of us are in the same boat as you, we just don't post here as much because we are busy smacking people on other threads

Once you get the chicks and can actually look at them in person, a lot of this stuff starts making more sense

Well I am hoping for hen and roo!!!! The funny part is Paul was three chicks short on my order.He offered me whites but I said no because I would need another pen.He had two more splash hatch in the night and sent them. I still got 2 white! lol Now I need a new pen!!!

 

[scflock]

Well I am hoping for hen and roo!!!! The funny part is Paul was three chicks short on my order.He offered me whites but I said no because I would need another pen.He had two more splash hatch in the night and sent them. I still got 2 white! lol Now I need a new pen!!!

I have learned in the past year that you always need a new pen