Ameraucana thread for posting pictures and discussing our birds

[averytds]

If you have a bird that meets the SOP despite it's parentage, you can enter that bird as such and even win. You may have some birds that fit that criteria. If it stopped at that, I'd personally have no beef, but that's not what we're talking about.


I have some AM/Sumatra Xs that could pass as purebred AMs, but what happens if you breed them? What if I sell them as AMs and someone else breeds them expecting to get AM chicks? Next thing you know they've got a bunch of muffless, beardless, gamey birds with flowing tails and I've effectively ripped off some poor kid who saved up all his Summer mowing money just to get a nice start in AMs. Or worse, I end up on some stupid TV judge show because the parents are suing me for their kids mental anguish when they got DQed.




If you really think about it, it benefits the breeders in no way telling you. They can get more $ and their birds are in higher demand the less breeders selling quality stock. It benefits them monetarily for people to keep selling EEs as AMs. From an exhibitor standpoint, the more DQed competition, the better the odds are for their birds. So why tell people? Because they are in it for the betterment of the breed.

 

[Illia]

Good point

 

[wava1vaughn]

Hi from Ga. We don't have any of these problems on the import English Orpington thread.

 

[pips&peeps]

EM Squared Farms wrote:

I agree with yadaguhtoo.

We are going to unsubscribe too.

We wanted to get on here to enjoy a thread about Ameraucanas, not be attacked from non-chicken judges (breeders only apparently) that our Ameraucanas are not Ameraucanas (when our chicken judge tells us multiple times that they are Ameraucanas and not EE - they lay beautiful sky blue eggs).

Why would you not take the advice of a true breeder who is a member of the club that got the breed developed and admitted to the standard?

How many shows and awards have your Ameraucanas won ? (if any ?)

I have placed RESERVE OF SHOW twice and CHAMPION AOSB too many times to count with my ameraucanas.

In the business of he said she said stuff, I guess it all comes down to credibility. And I'll take the opinion of a judge over a breeder anyday.

I suppose you will take the opinion of a judge over the President of the Ameraucana Breeders Club too?

If that is the kind on here (breeders that want to discredit others), then I guess we're out.

No one is trying to discredit anyone; the point to this thread is to educate.

Thanks for scaring off another (not a friendly place that people want to be) ! What does that say about your characters ? Continue on ! (without us !)

The following is a very brief description of the ameraucana:

The Ameraucana was developed in the 70's by a few people who were trying to standardize the Araucana breed. The Ameraucana is easier to breed as there are no complications due to lethal genes. A very detailed history of the Ameraucana can be read at the Ameraucana Breeders Club website. Besides the above color requirements the following are some of the traits Ameraucanas should posess: {eyes - bay (reddish brown)} {shanks & feet - slate (blue grey) black accepted on black birds, bottoms of feet white} {ear lobes - red, pale on females (no white)} {comb - pea} {wattles - very small, absent} {skin - white} {toes - four} {muffs & beard - forming three seperate lobes, absence is a DQ} {egg color - blue, minty green} {lf cock weight - 6.5 lbs/cockerel - 5.5 lbs} {lf hen weight - 5.5 lbs/pullet - 4.5 lbs} {full breast, medium back, and tail carried at 45 degrees above horizontal} {the bird must breed true to color}

The ameraucana has eight accepted varieties at the moment - black, blue, blue wheaten, brown red, buff, silver, wheaten and white. The newest variety being worked on is the lavender variety. Many times you will also see splash and splash wheaten birds which are the result of blue on blue breeding. There are pictures of these colors on the ameraucana breeders club website. The must look pretty much exactly like the photos, a bird that is "similar" is not the same. Green legs is an indicator of yellow skin, ameraucanas have white skin.​

 

[fowlman01]

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I'm not done yet... I'm still waiting to hear from Walt...

Me -> http://www.smileypedia.org/w/images/3/35/Livius-Beating_A_Dead_Horse.gif

I have not read any of the posts on this subject and maybe some are heavy handed, I don't know. It is never my intent to shoot people down, but not all judges have licenses. (I have never known why they call themselves judges) I am a long time general lic judge in the APA/ABA, Chair of the APA SOP Committee and member of the ABA judges lic committee.

Ameraucanas are one of the most misrepresented breeds sold by hatcheries.

I have looked at EM squared's website and here is my take on what I see. All of the young birds would be disqualified for incorrect plumage/type and /or leg color. The three older bantam birds would probably be OK...I can't see the type well enough to make a firm decision. The blue Wheaten hen looks to be a very good example of an Ameraucana bantam and she is in exceptional show condition.

Ameraucanas should lay blue shelled eggs, not green or greenish blue.

Walt

 

[NoseyChickens]

Just wanted to share this picture because I think she is coming along beautifully.

 

[Cloverleaf Farm]

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What a doll!!!!

 

[pips&peeps]

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I'm not done yet... I'm still waiting to hear from Walt...

Me -> http://www.smileypedia.org/w/images/3/35/Livius-Beating_A_Dead_Horse.gif

I have not read any of the posts on this subject and maybe some are heavy handed, I don't know. It is never my intent to shoot people down, but not all judges have licenses. (I have never known why they call themselves judges) I am a long time general lic judge in the APA/ABA, Chair of the APA SOP Committee and member of the ABA judges lic committee.

Ameraucanas are one of the most misrepresented breeds sold by hatcheries.

I have looked at EM squared's website and here is my take on what I see. All of the young birds would be disqualified for incorrect plumage/type and /or leg color. The three older bantam birds would probably be OK...I can't see the type well enough to make a firm decision. The blue Wheaten hen looks to be a very good example of an Ameraucana bantam and she is in exceptional show condition.

Ameraucanas should lay blue shelled eggs, not green or greenish blue.

Walt

Walt,

Which picture are you referring to??? The ones I see all have green legs.

 

[wava1vaughn]

Hi from Ga. thought I share my favorite Ameraucana.

 

[jeremy]

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I'm not done yet... I'm still waiting to hear from Walt...

Me -> http://www.smileypedia.org/w/images/3/35/Livius-Beating_A_Dead_Horse.gif

I have not read any of the posts on this subject and maybe some are heavy handed, I don't know. It is never my intent to shoot people down, but not all judges have licenses. (I have never known why they call themselves judges) I am a long time general lic judge in the APA/ABA, Chair of the APA SOP Committee and member of the ABA judges lic committee.

Ameraucanas are one of the most misrepresented breeds sold by hatcheries.

I have looked at EM squared's website and here is my take on what I see. All of the young birds would be disqualified for incorrect plumage/type and /or leg color. The three older bantam birds would probably be OK...I can't see the type well enough to make a firm decision. The blue Wheaten hen looks to be a very good example of an Ameraucana bantam and she is in exceptional show condition.

Ameraucanas should lay blue shelled eggs, not green or greenish blue.

Walt

Thanks for the clarification Walt.