Ameraucana thread for posting pictures and discussing our birds

[fowlman01]

pips&peeps :

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The three older birds on her website (full grown bantams) The legs don't look green on my monitor....they look slate. Computer monitors are notorious for not showing the same color to each person unless you calibrate them daily and even then everyone who looks at the picture would need to re calibrate daily for consistency.

Walt

Walt,

They still don't meet the color standards for ameraucanas. Please check this in your SOP.

Correct color for blue wheaten ameraucana hen/pullet:

http://ameraucana.org/scrapbook_files/bluewheatenf.jpg

Correct color for brown red ameraucana cock/cockerel: (she has now changed her website to indicate her bird is a wheaten)

http://ameraucana.org/scrapbook_files/lfbrownredm.jpg

Correct color for blue wheaten cock/cockerel:

http://www.bantamclub.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_101_0030.JPG

Photos courtesy of the ABC and Mike Gilbert.​

I don't need to check my Standard, but I did it anyway to reconfirm. The female you just posted does not have a blue tail or blue in the wings...so in comparison they both have color faults, which is not unusual in a female blue wheaten of any breed. Her female is also on the dark side, but not anywhere near the DQ range. From what I see in her pic of the female blue wheaten I can't imagine it ever being DQ'd for color or type. Blue Wheatens females are just not very consistent in color.

From the pics of her bantams I can't imagine any of them being DQ'd. Maybe this is not what you folks want to hear, but this is what I'm seeing in the three older bantam birds.
Pictures are risky when it comes to making judgements on chickens, but you are seeing the same things I'm seeing and we just don't happen to see them the same way for some reason.

The young birds from the hatchery are all pretty bad.

Walt

 

[Muggsmagee]

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Walt,

They still don't meet the color standards for ameraucanas. Please check this in your SOP.

Correct color for blue wheaten ameraucana hen/pullet:

http://ameraucana.org/scrapbook_files/bluewheatenf.jpg

Correct color for brown red ameraucana cock/cockerel: (she has now changed her website to indicate her bird is a wheaten)

http://ameraucana.org/scrapbook_files/lfbrownredm.jpg

Correct color for blue wheaten cock/cockerel:

http://www.bantamclub.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_101_0030.JPG

Photos courtesy of the ABC and Mike Gilbert.

I don't need to check my Standard, but I did it anyway to reconfirm. The female you just posted does not have a blue tail or blue in the wings...so in comparison they both have color faults, which is not unusual in a female blue wheaten of any breed. Her female is also on the dark side, but not anywhere near the DQ range. From what I see in her pic of the female blue wheaten I can't imagine it ever being DQ'd for color or type. Blue Wheatens females are just not very consistent in color.

From the pics of her bantams I can't imagine any of them being DQ'd. Maybe this is not what you folks want to hear, but this is what I'm seeing in the three older bantam birds.
Pictures are risky when it comes to making judgements on chickens, but you are seeing the same things I'm seeing and we just don't happen to see them the same way for some reason.

The young birds from the hatchery are all pretty bad.

Walt

I am not seeing what you are referring to Walt.

I have gone up and down the birds listed on EMsquared's for sale page and the pics of her baby chicks...almost ALL of them have green legs, the chick colors (I have hatched and raised all colors of Ams with the exception of Brown Red) are mostly inconsistent with pure bred Ams, or too difficult to tell color on because the pics were taken under a red lamp. Most of the cockerels have extremely green legs! The ones that don't have wrong feather colors/patterns to be in any class of true color type.

We truly value your input on this thread (I thank Jeremy for inquiring your opinion), however, I would like to know what you are seeing, that I am not.

 

[fowlman01]

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I don't need to check my Standard, but I did it anyway to reconfirm. The female you just posted does not have a blue tail or blue in the wings...so in comparison they both have color faults, which is not unusual in a female blue wheaten of any breed. Her female is also on the dark side, but not anywhere near the DQ range. From what I see in her pic of the female blue wheaten I can't imagine it ever being DQ'd for color or type. Blue Wheatens females are just not very consistent in color.

From the pics of her bantams I can't imagine any of them being DQ'd. Maybe this is not what you folks want to hear, but this is what I'm seeing in the three older bantam birds.
Pictures are risky when it comes to making judgements on chickens, but you are seeing the same things I'm seeing and we just don't happen to see them the same way for some reason.

The young birds from the hatchery are all pretty bad.

Walt

I am not seeing what you are referring to Walt.

I have gone up and down the birds listed on EMsquared's for sale page and the pics of her baby chicks...almost ALL of them have green legs, the chick colors (I have hatched and raised all colors of Ams with the exception of Brown Red) are mostly inconsistent with pure bred Ams, or too difficult to tell color on because the pics were taken under a red lamp. Most of the cockerels have extremely green legs! The ones that don't have wrong feather colors/patterns to be in any class of true color type.

We truly value your input on this thread (I thank Jeremy for inquiring your opinion), however, I would like to know what you are seeing, that I am not.

All of her AM's are wrong, with the exception of the 3 bantams. I know green legs are incorrect for the breed. I have said this a couple different ways and am only defending the older bantam birds that I am guessing she bought as adults from a real breeder.

I am just seeing pictures like everyone else, but I just can't see any one of those three bantams being DQ'd. Are they perfect? NO, and neither are the examples of the "good" AM's. I can pick apart any bird in any breed, but as I have gotten older I prefer to look for the positive points first.

I have no agenda with this, so I may be one of the few who are seeing those bantams with a clear eye. It is just my opinion, but I will guess that I have judged more of these than most of the posters on this thread have even seen. There are some good AM's around. I have seen excellent birds here in the west, Columbus and WI and I know that they are always contenders in the AOSB class. Our AOSB classes here in the west are the biggest large fowl class in most shows. PBBA show here last year the AOSB class had best and res of show out of 2600 birds. Any bird that wins that class is a contender for best of show.

Walt

Walt

 

[Christie Rhae]

When we are talking about white skin and white bottoms of the feet, is it really "white"? Or is it kinda pinkish? And we are calling it white when compared to yellow? My eye is just not trained for what I am supposed to be seeing. Like when I first saw a "blue"... I thought "well that is not blue at all, it's grey". Now I know what blue is, what does "white" skin really look like?

 

[pips&peeps]

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It can look white to a fleshy pink color - just no yellow.

 

[Goose and Fig]

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Sometimes it depends on the variety and age of the bird. It could be white-ish or pink-ish, but never yellow or green. Not even the slightest. Your marans should also have feet like that as marans are white skinned as well. I don't think you have anything to worry about Christie!

 

[ParadiseFoundFarm]

Nice to have some one like Walt and Jean around.......Just sayin,

 

[Muggsmagee]

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I am not seeing what you are referring to Walt.

I have gone up and down the birds listed on EMsquared's for sale page and the pics of her baby chicks...almost ALL of them have green legs, the chick colors (I have hatched and raised all colors of Ams with the exception of Brown Red) are mostly inconsistent with pure bred Ams, or too difficult to tell color on because the pics were taken under a red lamp. Most of the cockerels have extremely green legs! The ones that don't have wrong feather colors/patterns to be in any class of true color type.

We truly value your input on this thread (I thank Jeremy for inquiring your opinion), however, I would like to know what you are seeing, that I am not.

All of her AM's are wrong, with the exception of the 3 bantams. I know green legs are incorrect for the breed. I have said this a couple different ways and am only defending the older bantam birds that I am guessing she bought as adults from a real breeder.

I am just seeing pictures like everyone else, but I just can't see any one of those three bantams being DQ'd. Are they perfect? NO, and neither are the examples of the "good" AM's. I can pick apart any bird in any breed, but as I have gotten older I prefer to look for the positive points first.

I have no agenda with this, so I may be one of the few who are seeing those bantams with a clear eye. It is just my opinion, but I will guess that I have judged more of these than most of the posters on this thread have even seen. There are some good AM's around. I have seen excellent birds here in the west, Columbus and WI and I know that they are always contenders in the AOSB class. Our AOSB classes here in the west are the biggest large fowl class in most shows. PBBA show here last year the AOSB class had best and res of show out of 2600 birds. Any bird that wins that class is a contender for best of show.

Walt

Walt

Walt, I was actually being quite literal. I am not seeing what you are referring to. What 3 bantams? My only "agenda" (as you call it) is clearing this up. If someone has EE's and is blatantly disputing that fact and says they are Ameraucanas, I will have issue, as this seems to be the ONLY misrepresented breed that I've come across, and it just so happens I am passionate about. I didn't realize my eyes were not clear because they pick up on obvious green legs. That translates to mutt bird. There are no bones about it. We aren't talking about imperfections here, we are talking purebreed vs. EE/muttbird. She is interested in showing, she should know what she has to work with will set her back (or her son back) in terms of breeding, as she has inferior stock, that will be extremely difficult and time consuming to even ATTEMPT to breed to standard. We are ALL trying to help her!

If anyone could send me a link to the 3 bantams I am not finding, I would appreciate it. I only see pics of the chicks and cockerels.

 

[Christie Rhae]

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Sometimes it depends on the variety and age of the bird. It could be white-ish or pink-ish, but never yellow or green. Not even the slightest. Your marans should also have feet like that as marans are white skinned as well. I don't think you have anything to worry about Christie!

Maybe that is my problem, all I have in my chick pen is ameraucana and marans. I need a yellow skin chick in there so I can figure out what I am supposed to be looking at. Lol!

 

[klf73]

Actually araucana are misrepresented as well

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Even IF the 3 bantam are pure, she is promoting the rest of her hatchery stock as pure. NO HATCHERY sells pure, period. She is perpetuating the lie is all and going to sell these to some person as true ameraucana and the cycle continues.... if she mixes the hatchery stock with the debated bantams then they are ee's....cut and dry..