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[MyTDogs]

so wheaten is recessive? A wheaten crossed with a blue (NOT wheaten) will produce blues? that carry the wheaten gene?


sorry i know just enuf about genetics to be dangerous-LOL!

Wheaten Genetics

Here is a bit of info on how the wheaten gene works....
Wheaten x Wheaten = All Wheaten
Wheaten x Blue Wheaten = 1/2 Wheaten and 1/2 Blue Wheaten
Blue Wheaten x Blue Wheaten = 1/2 Blue Wheaten, 1/4 Wheaten and 1/4 Splash
Wheaten.
Wheaten x Splash Wheaten = All Blue Wheaten
Blue Wheaten x Splash Wheaten = 1/2 Splash Wheaten and 1/2 Blue Wheaten
Splash Wheaten x Splash Wheaten = All Splash Wheaten

 

[DMRippy]

Quote: I just pick it up here and there on these threads. I know enough to cause trouble

I have tried to get genetics... but I am not there yet. I can only take bites at a time.

 

[MyTDogs]

Here is my new rooster. I traded in my aggressive hatchery Orp (& a few bucks

) and got this guy.

I think he is an Ameraucana, not an EE, but I can't remember all the rules-lol! I know I can count on the experts here to tell me for sure. BTW, he does have slate legs though you can't see them in the pic. Also, can you confirm his color? Wheaten, right?

 

[DMRippy]

so wheaten is recessive? A wheaten crossed with a blue (NOT wheaten) will produce blues? that carry the wheaten gene?


sorry i know just enuf about genetics to be dangerous-LOL!
Quote: Here is a bit of info on how the wheaten gene works....
Wheaten x Wheaten = All Wheaten
Wheaten x Blue Wheaten = 1/2 Wheaten and 1/2 Blue Wheaten
Blue Wheaten x Blue Wheaten = 1/2 Blue Wheaten, 1/4 Wheaten and 1/4 Splash
Wheaten.
Wheaten x Splash Wheaten = All Blue Wheaten
Blue Wheaten x Splash Wheaten = 1/2 Splash Wheaten and 1/2 Blue Wheaten
Splash Wheaten x Splash Wheaten = All Splash Wheaten

A wheaten crossed with a Blue would give you 50/50 blue and black, but all would carry one copy of wheaten that is not expressed.

 

[pips&peeps]

You can't count on the color of the bird to get only extended black (E/E) genes in the blue, black and splash lines. Alot of the birds carry birchen (E^R) which would indicate they are E/E^R. So you would not get only blue and black offspring from the cross.

Then it would take several generations to get back to wheaten or blue. You would have a whole mess of different colors popping up in the next generation of offspring.

Go to the Kip calculator and see. There is no way to know what genes are hiding under the color we see.

http://kippenjungle.nl/kruising.htm...oc:E^R/E^R&fgt=Sloc:s+/-,Iloc:i+/i+,Eloc:e+/e+

 

[DMRippy]

I use the calculator often as I don't understand genetics.

Genotypes:
EEWh co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ Blbl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+- s+- Choc+-
Gender = Female, Ratio = 1/4 = 25%, minimum of animals to breed: 4
blue unicolor
Continue with this Female | Select for later crossings
EEWh co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ Blbl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+b+ Ss+ Choc+Choc+
Gender = Male, Ratio = 1/4 = 25%, minimum of animals to breed: 4
blue unicolor
Continue with this Male | Select for later crossings
EEWh co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ bl+bl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+- s+- Choc+-
Gender = Female, Ratio = 1/4 = 25%, minimum of animals to breed: 4
black unicolor
Continue with this Female | Select for later crossings

EEWh co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ bl+bl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+b+ Ss+ Choc+Choc+
Gender = Male, Ratio = 1/4 = 25%, minimum of animals to breed: 4
black unicolor
Continue with this Male | Select for later crossings


This is basically 1/2 the offspring will have the Wheaten look and half of those would be blue and black if you used one blue and one black from the above. 1/2 will be solid color. I didn't say it would be easy and I did say not the best route to go either. About 1/2 of the wheatens you could not use.


Phenotypes:
Pullets:
blue patterned gold wheaten
Ratio = 1/32 = 3.125%, minimum of animals to breed: 32
Pullets:
blue patterned silver wheaten
Ratio = 1/32 = 3.125%, minimum of animals to breed: 32
Pullets:
blue unicolor
Ratio = 6/32 = 18.75%, minimum of animals to breed: 6
Pullets:
black patterned gold wheaten
Ratio = 1/32 = 3.125%, minimum of animals to breed: 32
Pullets:
black patterned silver wheaten
Ratio = 1/32 = 3.125%, minimum of animals to breed: 32
Pullets:
black unicolor
Ratio = 6/32 = 18.75%, minimum of animals to breed: 6
Cockerels:
blue patterned yellow/golden wheaten
Ratio = 1/32 = 3.125%, minimum of animals to breed: 32
Cockerels:
blue patterned gold wheaten
Ratio = 1/32 = 3.125%, minimum of animals to breed: 32
Cockerels:
blue unicolor
Ratio = 6/32 = 18.75%, minimum of animals to breed: 6
Cockerels:
black patterned yellow/golden wheaten
Ratio = 1/32 = 3.125%, minimum of animals to breed: 32
Cockerels:
black patterned gold wheaten
Ratio = 1/32 = 3.125%, minimum of animals to breed: 32
Cockerels:
black unicolor
Ratio = 6/32 = 18.75%, minimum of animals to breed: 6

 

[pips&peeps]

This is what you will get if your bird is carrying birchen from the first cross:

Genotypes:

EEWh co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ Blbl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+- S- Choc+-
Gender = Female, Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
blue unicolor
Continue with this Female | Select for later crossings
EEWh co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ Blbl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+b+ Ss+ Choc+Choc+
Gender = Male, Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
blue unicolor
Continue with this Male | Select for later crossings
EEWh co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ bl+bl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+- S- Choc+-
Gender = Female, Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
black unicolor
Continue with this Female | Select for later crossings
EEWh co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ bl+bl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+b+ Ss+ Choc+Choc+
Gender = Male, Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
black unicolor
Continue with this Male | Select for later crossings
EREWh co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ Blbl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+- S- Choc+-
Gender = Female, Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
blue patterned silver -necked/birchen
Continue with this Female | Select for later crossings
EREWh co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ Blbl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+b+ Ss+ Choc+Choc+
Gender = Male, Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
blue patterned yellow/golden -necked/birchen
Continue with this Male | Select for later crossings
EREWh co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ bl+bl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+- S- Choc+-
Gender = Female, Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
black patterned silver -necked/birchen
Continue with this Female | Select for later crossings
EREWh co+co+ db+db+ pg+pg+ ml+ml+ Cha+Cha+ mh+mh+ di+di+ Ig+Ig+ cb+cb+ i+i+ bl+bl+ Lav+Lav+ C+C+ Mo+Mo+ b+b+ Ss+ Choc+Choc+
Gender = Male, Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
black patterned yellow/golden -necked/birchen
Continue with this Male | Select for later crossings



Phenotypes:

Pullets:
blue patterned silver -necked/birchen
Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
Pullets:
blue unicolor
Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
Pullets:
black patterned silver -necked/birchen
Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
Pullets:
black unicolor
Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
Cockerels:
blue patterned yellow/golden -necked/birchen
Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
Cockerels:
blue unicolor
Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
Cockerels:
black patterned yellow/golden -necked/birchen
Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8
Cockerels:
black unicolor
Ratio = 1/8 = 12.5%, minimum of animals to breed: 8

And remember some of the birds that carry gold and silver will not display it in the feather pattern, especially the females.

 

[FuzzyButtsFarm]

Here is my new rooster. I traded in my aggressive hatchery Orp (& a few bucks

) and got this guy.

I think he is an Ameraucana, not an EE, but I can't remember all the rules-lol! I know I can count on the experts here to tell me for sure. BTW, he does have slate legs though you can't see them in the pic. Also, can you confirm his color? Wheaten, right?

Beautiful, absolutely beautiful. I looked at the pic's on Ameraucana Scrapbook. The bottom of your picture is so dark he could be Wheaton, Blue Wheaton or Brown Red . Check out this site. http://www.ameraucana.org/scrapbook.html

 

[pips&peeps]

Brown reds do not have a wing bar. He could be a wheaten, but his color looks just a bit off.

 

[MyTDogs]

Thanks! & more importantly he seems really sweet so far.

I checked the link & he is definitely a wheaten- even has the white fluff at the base of the tail. Sorry the pic isn't better (cell phone). I'll get more once I can have him out & about in a month or so.

Beautiful, absolutely beautiful. I looked at the pic's on Ameraucana Scrapbook. The bottom of your picture is so dark he could be Wheaton, Blue Wheaton or Brown Red . Check out this site. http://www.ameraucana.org/scrapbook.html