American Game Bantams??

[Poultriary]

is he an american game bantam? when i bought him i thought he was an old english game bantam, but he weighs 29oz.

 

[NYREDS]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that he's "no particular breed." I believe it is a large fowl American Game, or at least mostly.

"At least mostly"=no particular breed where I come from.

 

[NYREDS]

is he an american game bantam? when i bought him i thought he was an old english game bantam, but he weighs 29oz.

What color are his legs?

 

[Poultriary]

"At least mostly"=no particular breed where I come from.

Well, yea, nobody's mistaking this fellow for a showable bird, that's for sure (and I'm pretty sure being short one leg is a dq)

; ).

But he definitely looks (as Froggiesheins was looking to have confirmed,) to be a byproduct of somebody trying to make a mini-game from LF games and Old English Game Bantams...but probably not for, uh, show purposes. The carriage on the body indicates game. That's all he was asking.

Besides, not many of the breeds in the Standard of Perfection and the Bantam Standard have 250-year pedigrees on them. I've read most of Old English Game Bantams as Bred and Shown in the United States (aka "Jeffrey") as well as The Genetics of the Old English Game Bantam by Tim Sheldon (which, incidentally, shows an illustration of a tasseled red pyle OEGB on page 13) and those OEGB guys have been breeding all kinds of different birds into that breed all along, including the occasional pit bantam. On page 83 of Jeffrey's book, he quotes a Spielman as getting the dun gene for the Fawn Silver Duckwings from a Wyandotte: "I started with this color in 1987 with a dun-laced Wyandotte which was crossed with a Silver Duckwing Old English Game bantam."

I've also read up on Japanese bantams and those folks are borrowing colors from the OEGBs left and right and in Terry Wibles book on Japanese bantams he talks about trying to breed the wonderful version of buff that the Leghorns have into JBs. Those are just examples that I pulled from the top of my head and went right to in my references just to make sure I had them right.

So, point is that most of the birds in any given show are "At least mostly" anyhow.

 

[TravisE]

Sorry about the angle. it is hard to get a good picture of him. I got him locally. He has slate colored legs. I got 4 hen with him, but they are silver ginger oegbs. They weigh 23oz.

 

[Poultriary]

Oh, NYREDS, I should add that I'm not trying to equate the type of breeding that produced that mini-toppy game to the breeding and selection skills of those fine breeders I mention. On the other hand, I think we can answer questions like the one asked without being totally dismissive because a bird lacks "purity".

Just like most people who've just picked up an adorable mutt at the county SPCA or Humane Society, some people are just curious about what breeds their pet-quality chicken might have in their background. Here (BYC) in particular, I think we should answer those questions for what they are, while gently letting the person know that what they have isn't SOP material.

Just my opinion.

 

[Poultriary]

Sorry about the angle. it is hard to get a good picture of him. I got him locally. He has slate colored legs. I got 4 hen with him, but they are silver ginger oegbs. They weigh 23oz.

If you have someone to hold him, that would let us get a better view of the tail, but what I would guess you have is an AGB with some recent OEGB blood in it. The leg color is correct, but from what I've seen of the tail, it seems to be leaning more towards OEGB to me. That could be the angle of the photo or his age and the tail could grow out to be larger.

This article will probably be of some help to you:

http://www.backyardpoultrymag.com/5...d_american_game_bantams_whats_the_difference/

 

[TravisE]

here are the best i could come up with. these bantam i have now are just my starting point with bantams. im going to be setting up pens over the winter and get some show quality oegbs and agbs this spring.

 

[downtheriver]

Well, yea, nobody's mistaking this fellow for a showable bird, that's for sure (and I'm pretty sure being short one leg is a dq)

; ).

But he definitely looks (as Froggiesheins was looking to have confirmed,) to be a byproduct of somebody trying to make a mini-game from LF games and Old English Game Bantams...but probably not for, uh, show purposes. The carriage on the body indicates game. That's all he was asking.

Besides, not many of the breeds in the Standard of Perfection and the Bantam Standard have 250-year pedigrees on them. I've read most of Old English Game Bantams as Bred and Shown in the United States (aka "Jeffrey") as well as The Genetics of the Old English Game Bantam by Tim Sheldon (which, incidentally, shows an illustration of a tasseled red pyle OEGB on page 13) and those OEGB guys have been breeding all kinds of different birds into that breed all along, including the occasional pit bantam. On page 83 of Jeffrey's book, he quotes a Spielman as getting the dun gene for the Fawn Silver Duckwings from a Wyandotte: "I started with this color in 1987 with a dun-laced Wyandotte which was crossed with a Silver Duckwing Old English Game bantam."

I've also read up on Japanese bantams and those folks are borrowing colors from the OEGBs left and right and in Terry Wibles book on Japanese bantams he talks about trying to breed the wonderful version of buff that the Leghorns have into JBs. Those are just examples that I pulled from the top of my head and went right to in my references just to make sure I had them right.

So, point is that most of the birds in any given show are "At least mostly" anyhow.

Thanks to : Poultriay for a very good Lesson !!!

I have seen several times over the years for the large am gamefowl to throw a real small bird(often held and used by those seeking such) .

 

[Poultriary]

here are the best i could come up with. these bantam i have now are just my starting point with bantams. im going to be setting up pens over the winter and get some show quality oegbs and agbs this spring.





Travis, I would contact the author of the article I put up - Mark from Rosen American Game Bantams - about getting some good AGB breeding stock. I can also get you in touch with some other breeders that might be closer to you. Send me a private message with what varieties you're interested in. I maintain the list of the varieties that the UAGB Club members breed. If you have an interest in showing, I strongly recommend that you start with birds from a reputable breeder that has a good track record at shows. I started in part with Mark's lines and have been really happy with them. Plus he's a really nice and helpful guy. If you search on YouTube for AGBs, about half the videos are Mark's. The other guy who has a lot of vidieos up has nice birds, but I'd say his personality makes him a tough fellow to deal with.

Mark will probably give you his opinion of your fellow here if you ask him.