American serama thread!

[froggiesheins]

Ok I giving up. I got a class A trio last July and have set every egg since. Not one has been fertile. One hen is proven so I think its the roo. No more serama for me. I have another proven bantam roo ( about 1 1/2lb)and 4 small assorted hen. All 8 are going out to the garden. Mutts are better than nothing. I am very frustrated with trying for chicks. Has anyone else had a lazy roo.

I have posted this before BUT will post again.....The "CLASS A' size that you 'all talk about will more than likely be INFERTILE. AND IF BY CHANCE you do get a fertile egg from them, the likely hood of it actually hatching are slim AND the likely hood of it being normal are slim and none!

PLEASE PEEPS, stop with all this class A B C nonsense please! IF you want a GOOD breeding pair they honestly need to be good size birds so that they can have a better chance at fertility and breeding and have better odds of actually producing a normal chick.

I don't want to tell you how many times I have held in my arms a dying hen from egg laying issues and ALL OF THOSE HENS 100% of them were very small!!!

Yes, the tiny ones are ADORABLE and I cherish all of mine dearly, but they are the END RESULT OF BREEDING and a fluke.

I have one that I had to have spayed because her eggs were too big for her to pass.
YES, you CAN spay hens.

OK, I am off my soapbox, please go hug & kiss ALL yer seramas now :cd

 

[froggiesheins]

I wouldn't call him lazy, you may need to trim bum feathers on hens and him @daphiesmom had this little guy chase a guinea off the porch

WOOT THE BOAZ!!!!! How is that yarn chasing stunker doing Robin? LOVE the BOZ!

 

[ocseramas]

Good info for everyone to t

I have posted this before BUT will post again.....The "CLASS A' size that you 'all talk about will more than likely be INFERTILE. AND IF BY CHANCE you do get a fertile egg from them, the likely hood of it actually hatching are slim AND the likely hood of it being normal are slim and none!

PLEASE PEEPS, stop with all this class A B C nonsense please! IF you want a GOOD breeding pair they honestly need to be good size birds so that they can have a better chance at fertility and breeding and have better odds of actually producing a normal chick.

I don't want to tell you how many times I have held in my arms a dying hen from egg laying issues and ALL OF THOSE HENS 100% of them were very small!!!

Yes, the tiny ones are ADORABLE and I cherish all of mine dearly, but they are the END RESULT OF BREEDING and a fluke.

I have one that I had to have spayed because her eggs were too big for her to pass.
YES, you CAN spay hens.

OK, I am off my soapbox, please go hug & kiss ALL yer seramas now

Good info for everyone to take heed! Sue is trying to let ya'll know - forget about the teeny tiny birds!

A class "A" bird cannot breed a normal "B" size or normal sized serama hen, period! He has not got the ability or leg length to properly mount and get the job done. Then, fact in the "fact" that it is likely he is not fertile. Any wonder the eggs are not fertile?

If you want the very smallest of the breed, accept the fact that they are an adorable, tiny and sweet little chicken, nothing more. Only by using artificial insemination "MIGHT" you get a fertile egg.

 

[insanity]

I realize there are fertility problems with the smaller birds.However it is primarily in the females and I was careful to get a proven hen. She can and has produced chicks in the past. The other hen is a bit larger,almost a class b and lays normal yolked eggs regularly. The problem I am having is the roo. It isn't even that he can't but that he doesn't even try.Physical infertility should not effect attitude or behavior.As far as the egg binding, any bird can have that happen (I will agree it is more common in the minis) I lost a 10 lb NN cochin last spring to egg bind.
I did not purchase this trio for breeding but for the novelty that they are. All that aside I will soon know if it's the hens or the roo. The flock they are joining has a small splash bantam roo in it. The chicks will be easy to ID as my serama roo is a buff frizzle.

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

I am curious about this from the solve the mystery angle:

It is posable that if the infertility is hormone based it could result in low sex drive as low levels of certain hormones in humans can affect our sex drive, so why not birds too? What if he is incompletely formed boy? Does he crow? I read someplace on the forum someone knew someone who was trying to breed quieter roos and with the lack of crowing he noted his fertility rates dropped significantly. Crowing is a behavior the roos do that could be tied to sex drive? It seems less dominate young roos often will not crow until the dominate roo is removed... so I am wondering either biological or behavior wise what is the issue. Short of sperm counting him and having the sperm examined I am unsure (I have no idea if any one does that for roos). It could be too he has sperm but it is not good, flawed to the point no viable fertilization occurs. It will be interesting to see if the hens cross breed now that you moved them.

 

[froggiesheins]

I am curious about this from the solve the mystery angle:

It is posable that if the infertility is hormone based it could result in low sex drive as low levels of certain hormones in humans can affect our sex drive, so why not birds too? What if he is incompletely formed boy? Does he crow? I read someplace on the forum someone knew someone who was trying to breed quieter roos and with the lack of crowing he noted his fertility rates dropped significantly. Crowing is a behavior the roos do that could be tied to sex drive? It seems less dominate young roos often will not crow until the dominate roo is removed... so I am wondering either biological or behavior wise what is the issue. Short of sperm counting him and having the sperm examined I am unsure (I have no idea if any one does that for roos). It could be too he has sperm but it is not good, flawed to the point no viable fertilization occurs. It will be interesting to see if the hens cross breed now that you moved them.

We sure WOULD like to know that FOR SURE! it would mean a trip to the vet, $$$$$ spent etc....and there are SO many roos out there that ARE fertile, why bother?

 

[ocseramas]

I have seen a male not try when he knows it's an impossible feat to tackle. I have recently experienced myself. When I finally put the smallest of my girls in, he did the job and I have fertile eggs. With 3 different pullets that were only a small amount larger, he showed absolutely no interest whatsoever.

 

[sundancenbare]

Well, that's better than I would have thought considering how far those eggs traveled and how many times they were probably literally thrown! Most breeders do not sell eggs, this is one of the reasons why. Very few, if any, usually hatch and what usually happens is that the buyer winds up unhappy for all their efforts. You are far better to save your money and buy a good pair and raise your own. Serama eggs are difficult to begin with to incubate and then combine that with the Post Office tactics, it a bad thing waiting to happen.

I really want a couple of frizzle pullet chicks. Anyone have any?

 

[sundancenbare]

I wouldn't call him lazy, you may need to trim bum feathers on hens and him



@daphiesmom had this little guy chase a guinea off the porch

he can come live with me

 

[cardonafam]

He is too cute what type is he.. I want to get one