Antibiotics will soon require vet prescription

[pennyJo1960]

I am for them being pulled, banned whatever you wish to call it does anyone recall when vet techs did basic surgeries not being in the loop anymore I am unaware if the veterinary board had a hand in this also

 

[BDutch]

I'm not too sad to see them being made to require a prescription now. Sure, it makes it more difficult for people to obtain the antibiotics if they need them, but they are also overused, so it is time for the "greater good" to be taken into consideration.

I posted a thread about antibiotic use earlier this year: https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/the-implications-of-antibiotic-use.1296394/

People are very caught up in their own selfish desires, it will cost them money to obtain a prescription for the antibiotics from a vet, but it is time for safeguards to be enacted to prevent antibiotic overuse. For those complaining about the burden to convenience in obtaining antibiotics, it'll be even less convenient for you if vet-prescribed antibiotics stop working on your animals, due to resistance caused by overuse, or if an antibiotic resistant zoonotic pathogen emerges which starts killing your friends and family.

Yes and... If antibiotics can be sold to make a quick profit, overuse and use for the wrong reasons will happen. Worldwide there is already an increase of resistent bacteria.

There is also an increase of people that dye from dangerous resistent bacteria. If your hospital dokter or nurse has been in contact with such a dangerous resistent bacteria they can no longer be a visiting dokter or nurse for a quarantine period. If infected the will have to find other work (in Europe).

E.g. this is what can happen to you: Last year my best friend got infected by a lyme tick for the second time. So again she got strong antibiotics. After that she was infected by a e-colli bacteria. And now she has a resisant bacteria in her body. It is not a life treatening one. But she has less energy and if she needs to go to a hospitable for treatment they have to take extra precoutions. She also became intollerant for food high on histamine like tomatoes, spinach, sellery, nuts, conservatives and a lot more.

Selling antibiotics without a good control is really a no-go for the future.

 

[Shadrach]

If you keep livestock here in this part of Catalonia, I believe the same applies in other areas in Spain and in some other countries, you have to register the creatures with your local council. They send a vet to take blood once a year and can, although such inspections are rare, come and inspect the conditions you keep the animals in.
For most livestock and many pets at some point they will get sick and/or injured. There are always exceptions but most people with say a sick or injured dog will take it to a vet.
For some unfathomable reason some chicken keepers think it's fine to carry out surgery and administer whatever drugs they can acquire without any professional guidance and checking to see if they can get vet care for the animals they get seems to be a bit of an after thought.
Perhaps some good advice would be don't get chickens, or any other creatures if you cannot access the necessary professional health care who can prescribe the correct medication.

 

[dawg53]

I think the best solution here is to just not use them. Then there is no worry of shelf life, no border crossing, no vet bills and no prescription needed.

Either go holistic or breed for resistance. Bacteria isn't a virus like Marek's. It can be bred for resistance. A bacteria fails as a pathogen if it kills off all of its hosts before it can spread. So therefore, proper biosecurity and management practices should either solve or manage a problem outbreak.

Breeding for resistance is a joke. The only thing that has bred for resistance is bacteria. NAME ONE poultry disease that has been eliminated through breeding for resistance or through holistic means or antibiotic treatments.

As an example: MG has many strains. You cant breed for resistance against MG. However if biosecurity was practiced and birds culled, there MIGHT be a chance. There are folks in this thread who WOULD NOT CULL their sick birds for whatever reasons in the name of biosecurity. Would YOU? I've culled birds for less reasons than a disease, usually a favorite. Yes, it hurts to cull a favorite.

 

[dawg53]

If you keep livestock here in this part of Catalonia, I believe the same applies in other areas in Spain and in some other countries, you have to register the creatures with your local council. They send a vet to take blood once a year and can, although such inspections are rare, come and inspect the conditions you keep the animals in.
For most livestock and many pets at some point they will get sick and/or injured. There are always exceptions but most people with say a sick or injured dog will take it to a vet.
For some unfathomable reason some chicken keepers think it's fine to carry out surgery and administer whatever drugs they can acquire without any professional guidance and checking to see if they can get vet care for the animals they get seems to be a bit of an after thought.
Perhaps some good advice would be don't get chickens, or any other creatures if you cannot access the necessary professional health care who can prescribe the correct medication.

Dont you love government regulation?
The next thing they'll tell you is to register your toilet paper, tell you how much you're alloted in a one month and how many sheets you can use in one week. Then they'll tax you to death ie, a use tax, a wipe tax, then another water use tax on top of the water bill, maybe a flushometer to add to your water bill, or even add it onto property taxes so you wont notice it. Yeah, I love micromanagement and government interference.

 

[Shadrach]

Dont you love government regulation?

Not love no, but I appreciate they are necessary for the good of all.

 

[dawg53]

Not love no, but I appreciate they are necessary for the good of all.

The good of all lol. I'm not gonna get political. We've heard that before lol. I'll leave it at that.

 

[microchick]

Dont you love government regulation?
The next thing they'll tell you is to register your toilet paper, tell you how much you're alloted in a one month and how many sheets you can use in one week. Then they'll tax you to death ie, a use tax, a wipe tax, then another water use tax on top of the water bill, maybe a flushometer to add to your water bill, or even add it onto property taxes so you wont notice it. Yeah, I love micromanagement and government interference.

Wish they had an emoji for EXCELLENT POST!

Also, concerning Lyme disease. Been there done that and without antibiotics I probably wouldn't be here right now because the long term effects of the disease would either have killed me or made me an invalid.

The use of antibiotics has its place and time. Education is a good idea.

Stop mommies and others from either dragging their kiddie with a cold or dragging themselves to the doctor whenever they have a sniffle or low grade fever demanding antibiotics so they can either shuffle the kiddie back to school to spread the virus that the antibiotics won't touch or to go back to work and do the same thing. If the doctor doesn't do anything, then they move on to another doc who is willing to write an unnecessary RX for a virus.

Once again I will say that the problem does not lie with back yard flocks or herds. They will be the true victim here. The problem lies with the big cattle, pork and poultry producers that are trying to make the most money that they can from their product. And:

The FDA is the one writing the regulations that are giving them the right to have X amount of antibiotics and growth hormones in their meat products.

So much for regulations being our friend...and yes, I am being snarky.

I won't get political either other than to say that there are meat products brought in from other countries and you as the consumer do not know what they have been fed or injected with when you serve them to your family. All the consumer knows is they had pork chops on sale at Wally World and the price was so good that you couldn't NOT buy them.

Just PLEASE! Think about all of this when you are looking over the meat at your local grocery store.

 

[Chickassan]

I have serious doubts this particular restriction will help anything on the antibiotics abuse front.
It is akin to throwing a pebble at an elephant and expecting to knock it unconscious.
Futile battles are fought as distractions, nothing more.

 

[Sue Gremlin]

I support this restriction. While misuse of antibiotics is more associated with human medicine than with veterinary medicine, particularly small hobby farms, most antibiotics shouldn't be available to the general public. They should be supervised by medical professionals with specific authority and training. This is problematic for backyard poultry, as veterinary care can be very hard to find for them.
Part of the problem with this lies with the fact that new drugs with new modes of action are very slow to be discovered and developed, so we are truly running out of options.