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I'm sure this will be a good conversation!
Anyone non-religious here? Please be nice!
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Some of the negative reviews that are on Amazone almost make me want to read the book. It seems that some people are offended that the writer pictured God as a black woman. But I am working my way through King's Gunslinger series and I am only on the fourth book so it will be a long time before I get to any more books. Needful Things and The Poisonwood Bible are next on my list.
I'll send you the pisonwood bible if you want it..
I would love that.
the big smile is because that made me really happy, not because I am being creepy.
Some of the negative reviews that are on Amazone almost make me want to read the book. It seems that some people are offended that the writer pictured God as a black woman. But I am working my way through King's Gunslinger series and I am only on the fourth book so it will be a long time before I get to any more books. Needful Things and The Poisonwood Bible are next on my list.
I'll send you the pisonwood bible if you want it..
I would love that.
OK, here goes. I'm gonna try to keep this short.
As a teenager, my brother and I was fortunate enough to be taken in by a world famous home for boys. We were growing up in a home where there was no structure and we were heading down the wrong path. The place we went to was Father Flanagan's Boys Town. A home founded by a Catholic priest for boys with nowhere to go.
We lived there until we finished high school. While there we were required to attend church every Sunday and take a religion class 3 days a week in school. We were allowed to choose whether we attended Catholic or Protestant services and classes. So for several years I was instructed in protestant beliefs. I did well in class, even giving a sermon one Sunday as a Sophomore.
Since my graduation in 1983 I have developed my own beliefs on religion.
As someone who is fascinated by science and the daily discoveries, I cannot see where the logic in religion fits with the preponderance of evidence presented to contradict it. There have been some major advancements in the study of evolution recently, yet most religions will not even consider the possibility of evolution because the "Book doesn't say so."
When a religion can require a mother to turn her back on her own daughter, as in the case of my wife and mother-in-law, because she does not have the same beliefs there is a problem. This is another case of where the religion says it is right, because of some misinterpretation of a book that has been misinterpreted a million times in the name of some god.
It's hard to fall for any of the teachings, not only because you never know who is "right," but because sometimes religion just doesn't make any sense. Oh yeah, it's not supposed to, it's faith, right Christians, Catholics, Muslims, Buddhists, Click-chuck the Tree Worshiper?
As a teenager, my brother and I was fortunate enough to be taken in by a world famous home for boys. We were growing up in a home where there was no structure and we were heading down the wrong path. The place we went to was Father Flanagan's Boys Town. A home founded by a Catholic priest for boys with nowhere to go.
We lived there until we finished high school. While there we were required to attend church every Sunday and take a religion class 3 days a week in school. We were allowed to choose whether we attended Catholic or Protestant services and classes. So for several years I was instructed in protestant beliefs. I did well in class, even giving a sermon one Sunday as a Sophomore.
Since my graduation in 1983 I have developed my own beliefs on religion.
As someone who is fascinated by science and the daily discoveries, I cannot see where the logic in religion fits with the preponderance of evidence presented to contradict it. There have been some major advancements in the study of evolution recently, yet most religions will not even consider the possibility of evolution because the "Book doesn't say so."
When a religion can require a mother to turn her back on her own daughter, as in the case of my wife and mother-in-law, because she does not have the same beliefs there is a problem. This is another case of where the religion says it is right, because of some misinterpretation of a book that has been misinterpreted a million times in the name of some god.
It's hard to fall for any of the teachings, not only because you never know who is "right," but because sometimes religion just doesn't make any sense. Oh yeah, it's not supposed to, it's faith, right Christians, Catholics, Muslims, Buddhists, Click-chuck the Tree Worshiper?
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It is amazing how you can give us that kind of insight, particularly the fascination of science and evolution. And the misinterpretation of the book.
It is amazing how you can give us that kind of insight, particularly the fascination of science and evolution. And the misinterpretation of the book.
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Strange, hes never spoken to me....
Well....., i digress...
there was that one time i had had too much to drink.... but i think i lost too many brain cells that night! Whew...
And really, i never found out if it was really god talking to me or the toliet bowl...
He never really spoke to me either.....however I do pray over the toliet bowl once in a blue moon whenever I ate something bad!
I didn't hear him there nor did I hear the bowl sounding voice!
Strange, hes never spoken to me....
Well....., i digress...
there was that one time i had had too much to drink.... but i think i lost too many brain cells that night! Whew...
And really, i never found out if it was really god talking to me or the toliet bowl...
He never really spoke to me either.....however I do pray over the toliet bowl once in a blue moon whenever I ate something bad!
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Honestly, have you ever had one of those times where you want to type a million things but they just kinda come out in 3 or four jumbled paragraphs? That was my post above. It was much more elaborate and elegant in my mind.
Honestly, have you ever had one of those times where you want to type a million things but they just kinda come out in 3 or four jumbled paragraphs? That was my post above. It was much more elaborate and elegant in my mind.
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Honestly, have you ever had one of those times where you want to type a million things but they just kinda come out in 3 or four jumbled paragraphs? That was my post above. It was much more elaborate and elegant in my mind.
Many times over and over. I think you really did nailed it!
Honestly, have you ever had one of those times where you want to type a million things but they just kinda come out in 3 or four jumbled paragraphs? That was my post above. It was much more elaborate and elegant in my mind.
Many times over and over. I think you really did nailed it!
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Your part in here about Jesus and his deciples I totally agree with however HE(Jesus) never said go to church every Sunday and Wednesday or whenever. He never said Jews, or catholic, or methodist or any "religion" had it correct. HE said "FOLLOW ME" If a person has no faith then they will never hear or see.
Your part in here about Jesus and his deciples I totally agree with however HE(Jesus) never said go to church every Sunday and Wednesday or whenever. He never said Jews, or catholic, or methodist or any "religion" had it correct. HE said "FOLLOW ME" If a person has no faith then they will never hear or see.
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Very interesting thread! Great Reading!
Thought I would chime in too.
I am a spiritual person. I believe that things happen for a reason. I also believe there is something to karma. I wonder about 'the other side' and find that possibility fascinating. I believe I have seen proof of all those things.
When I was a teenager my grandfather took me to a cemetery off a dirt road in the woods of western Maine to show me an old pair of tombstones. It was a husband and wife, and the long and beautiful inscriptions were written to each other, and they both ended with,"Love is my religion" it was really beautiful and I will never forget it. And I try to live by it every day.
As far as religion goes, I attended a Baptist church as a girl, as well as Universalist with my grandparents, Catholic with various friends and family, had long conversations with Mormons, Johova's witnesses, Pentecostals, various Fundamentalists, and one couple's private church that they created after one of them was called to it by God during a drug induced car accident. It has all been very interesting. I have known and loved people of many religions and how could I sit there and say one is better than another?
I studied anthropology/archaeology in college and have always found religion facinating.
I think religion is a good way to encourage beneficial social activity. Religion is a great way to organize large groups of people into a collective mind, to accomplish more than a few people could, it has been a very successful tool for the propagation of our species. The people that were predisposed to conform were the ones who tended to be more genetically successful, therefore we are hardwired with the desire to be surrounded by others like us, its a survival instinct. I think that is why is is such an irrational thing to so many people. Like fight or flight.
I think it really fascinating too, that all or nearly all of the worlds religions include some version of a great flood. Universal scare tactic (believe what I am telling you or die) or vestigial memory of the species?
Thought I would chime in too.
I am a spiritual person. I believe that things happen for a reason. I also believe there is something to karma. I wonder about 'the other side' and find that possibility fascinating. I believe I have seen proof of all those things.
When I was a teenager my grandfather took me to a cemetery off a dirt road in the woods of western Maine to show me an old pair of tombstones. It was a husband and wife, and the long and beautiful inscriptions were written to each other, and they both ended with,"Love is my religion" it was really beautiful and I will never forget it. And I try to live by it every day.
As far as religion goes, I attended a Baptist church as a girl, as well as Universalist with my grandparents, Catholic with various friends and family, had long conversations with Mormons, Johova's witnesses, Pentecostals, various Fundamentalists, and one couple's private church that they created after one of them was called to it by God during a drug induced car accident. It has all been very interesting. I have known and loved people of many religions and how could I sit there and say one is better than another?
I studied anthropology/archaeology in college and have always found religion facinating.
I think religion is a good way to encourage beneficial social activity. Religion is a great way to organize large groups of people into a collective mind, to accomplish more than a few people could, it has been a very successful tool for the propagation of our species. The people that were predisposed to conform were the ones who tended to be more genetically successful, therefore we are hardwired with the desire to be surrounded by others like us, its a survival instinct. I think that is why is is such an irrational thing to so many people. Like fight or flight.
I think it really fascinating too, that all or nearly all of the worlds religions include some version of a great flood. Universal scare tactic (believe what I am telling you or die) or vestigial memory of the species?
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Never hear or see what? (Is this kind of like Santa Claus????)
Even in the most convoluted interpertations of what a man called Jesus may or may not have said, I do not recall anyone documenting him saying "follow me I am the only path." I do believe the man called Jesus traveled to the east and spent time with people of eastern religions . Some how those scrolls are lost and those years not documented.
It is my personal opinion we do not have a clear picture of what this special gifted individual may have had to share with us.
If you are here on the non religious thread to proclaim Jesus is the only path to "salvation" Please do it some where else.. Please do not insinuate people of no religion or belief or people of any religion other than Christianity will "never see or hear". We see and hear plenty!
VioletBlueIvy,
Interesting viewpoint! I enjoyed it..
ON
Never hear or see what? (Is this kind of like Santa Claus????)
Even in the most convoluted interpertations of what a man called Jesus may or may not have said, I do not recall anyone documenting him saying "follow me I am the only path." I do believe the man called Jesus traveled to the east and spent time with people of eastern religions . Some how those scrolls are lost and those years not documented.
It is my personal opinion we do not have a clear picture of what this special gifted individual may have had to share with us.
If you are here on the non religious thread to proclaim Jesus is the only path to "salvation" Please do it some where else.. Please do not insinuate people of no religion or belief or people of any religion other than Christianity will "never see or hear". We see and hear plenty!
VioletBlueIvy,
Interesting viewpoint! I enjoyed it..
ON
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