Anyone non-religious here? Please be nice!

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Thaiturkey, I did enjoy reading your dissertation. Interesting perspective. I hope you do not mind but I am going to use your statement to make a point..
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Yes a rock is different than a rabbit, but I am not sure what is meant by "big difference".
Personally, I am NOT so sure we as a species are in the position to make that statement, if a "big difference" somehow insinuates superiority, better, or more advanced. Do we really understand the mechanics of it all? ...... This is a bit abstract, but I feel making that claim is down the same path of thinking that evangelism stems from. (Feeling like things like "us" are some better, right or more advanced. So in the case of religion, evangelism or missionaries the goal is to help and make others think and act as you do. "save them" make them like "us")

It is my opinion that our learned or genetic tendency as a species to classify and separate objects and creatures based on how much they are like us is a major flaw in our species. Think about how we think... Multi cell creatures like us are more "advanced than amoebas". Mammals some how more advanced than egg layers. Even we create hierarchy based on behaviors of creatures. Ones that have traits like us some how gain favor and are considered superior, smarter, better. In my opinion this is the line of thinking that drives religion and also the root of genocides, racism, prejudice, shovanistic behavior and on and on.
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Hi ON.

I was not suggesting that a living being is superior to a rock but stating that it is different. Read that sentence in conjunction with the previous one where I mentioned the 'spark of life'. That's the difference that I meant. One might argue that rocks are superior to humans because, for example, they don't start wars but that was not my point either. In fact, when I stand amongst mountains and think about the millions of years during which they were formed, I struggle think that my puny life is superior to them.

I was trying to say that although we might have a grasp of how the universe was out together we, or I at least, cannot fathom how life became a part of that. What was it that turned collections of inanimate elements into living beings? That was my point. Religions and individual sets of beliefs attempt to explain it but, in my view, none of them do it successfully.

I went on to suggest that it probably doesn't matter because we have enough to do in our lives, spiritually if you like, without pondering what is impossible to explain with certainty.
 
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redux, wow what a can of worms, just wanted to thank you for giving everyone a chance to express what they believe, and why they believe it. I to believe in God but not organized religion. I hope that you can continue to examine and share your beliefs, without people judging you. I think judging another person is wrong not matter what an individual believes, God/no god, Gay/ not gay, country life/city life. Judging an action is different that judging an person. I dont think theres a person so mighty that they have the right to judge a persons beliefs. Thanks again for starting this thread.

I would be interested in hearing your believes. Are you a Christian? Do you think that all religions and nonreligious people can go to heaven? Do you believe in heaven and hell? Do you think that a person has to accept Jesus as the messiah and their savior to go to heaven?

No I do not consider myself a Christian. Your second question depends on how you define a religious/non-religious person. yes I believe in heaven and hell, and yes i do believe you have to accept Jesus. The term "Christian" is thrown around by lots of people who dont necessarily act Christ like.
 
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Matt 4:19 "Follow Me"
John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth, and the life:no man cometh unto the father, but by me.

Furthermore, I do not consider myself religious, I consider myself spiritual, And i never said you had to be a Christian to hear Christ. Nor do I believe that. ?

I don't understand what you mean by being a Christian without hearing about Christ?

Some Christians believe that those who live in remote regions in which they never hear about Jesus will still go to heaven. Is this your belief? That doesn't mean that they believe that someone who hears about Christ can decide to reject him and still go to heaven.

Do you mind expanding just a bit on what you mean?

Sorry to take up so many posts on this, I don't know how to quote multiple posts in one single post. Is there a way to do that?

what I said was you dont have to be a Christian to hear from Christ. My example would Be king Nebuchadnezzer(The Documented King a babylonia for 43 years, present day Iraq) #2 yes if you never been tought you cannot be held accountable. I believe everyone wether they believe or not at one point will come face to face with Christ. If a person rejects him in this life, why should we expect to be accepted then.
 
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I would be interested in hearing your believes. Are you a Christian? Do you think that all religions and nonreligious people can go to heaven? Do you believe in heaven and hell? Do you think that a person has to accept Jesus as the messiah and their savior to go to heaven?

No I do not consider myself a Christian. Your second question depends on how you define a religious/non-religious person. yes I believe in heaven and hell, and yes i do believe you have to accept Jesus. The term "Christian" is thrown around by lots of people who dont necessarily act Christ like.

So would an atheist who doesn't believe in Jesus go to hell? I am just trying to clarify in my own head what you believe. I hope that you don't mind being patient with me.
 
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I don't understand what you mean by being a Christian without hearing about Christ?

Some Christians believe that those who live in remote regions in which they never hear about Jesus will still go to heaven. Is this your belief? That doesn't mean that they believe that someone who hears about Christ can decide to reject him and still go to heaven.

Do you mind expanding just a bit on what you mean?

Sorry to take up so many posts on this, I don't know how to quote multiple posts in one single post. Is there a way to do that?

what I said was you dont have to be a Christian to hear from Christ. My example would Be king Nebuchadnezzer(The Documented King a babylonia for 43 years, present day Iraq) #2 yes if you never been tought you cannot be held accountable. I believe everyone wether they believe or not at one point will come face to face with Christ. If a person rejects him in this life, why should we expect to be accepted then.

Okay, so you think that at some point in the afterlife, everyone will be offered the choice to accept or reject Christ? Is that correct?
 
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No I do not consider myself a Christian. Your second question depends on how you define a religious/non-religious person. yes I believe in heaven and hell, and yes i do believe you have to accept Jesus. The term "Christian" is thrown around by lots of people who dont necessarily act Christ like.

So would an atheist who doesn't believe in Jesus go to hell? I am just trying to clarify in my own head what you believe. I hope that you don't mind being patient with me.

Thankfully its not my job to judge if someone will go to hell or heaven. I believe Jesus will do that at the appointed time.
 
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what I said was you dont have to be a Christian to hear from Christ. My example would Be king Nebuchadnezzer(The Documented King a babylonia for 43 years, present day Iraq) #2 yes if you never been tought you cannot be held accountable. I believe everyone wether they believe or not at one point will come face to face with Christ. If a person rejects him in this life, why should we expect to be accepted then.

Okay, so you think that at some point in the afterlife, everyone will be offered the choice to accept or reject Christ? Is that correct?

NO the time to accept is turning the dispensation of Grace(now) not when its all said and done. Christ said "come as you are" He never said fiqure everything out and then come see me.
 
in the old testament God dealt with people right away. When Christ died on the cross, this new period began known as the dispensation of Grace. He gave us Grace. that, I believe, will end when we die or his return which ever happens first.
 
Okay, Melissa. I think that I understand your belief system now. Thank you.

Are you a Dispensationalist?
 
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