Anyone sell their coturnix for bird dog training?

[monarc23]

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Atleast here in PA, most dog trainers already have the proper permits to do so with their dogs

 

[First To Hatch]

Everyone on this thread has good points I'd listen to them think hsrd on it then make my choice.
At first glance I woulda said for sure I'd sell you some. But then after thinking on it and realize its not worth the time and money. And that these birds aren't for training your pointer or target practice. I say grill them yourself.

 

[Swamp Roo]

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That makes life easier. I'd still point out that these birds are not native to the buyer though. Me, I'd only sell natives to the folks I know where training dogs.

Swamp

 

[JJMR794]

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THEY SUCK FOR DOG TRAINING. THEY ARE OK FOR VERY YOUNG PUPS JUST TO GET THE HANG OF SCENT TRAINING AND TRAILING, BUT THEY DONT FLY WELL ENOUGH FOR FLUSH AND POINT TRAINING

 

[JJMR794]

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WRONG, JUMBOS ARE EVEN MORE SLUGGISH THAN REGULAR SIZE BIRDS WHEN IT COMES TO FLUSHING. I BREED AND TRAIN LABS FOR UPLAND GAMEBIRDS AND WATERFOWL, MY LABS CAN WALK RIGHT OVER TO MY COTURNIX ESCAPEES AND JUST GENTLY PICK THEM UP AND FETCH THEM BACK TO ME--- THE BIRD ENDS UP FLOPPING ON THE GOUND AT MY FEET COVERED IN DOG SPIT WITH A TOTALLY DEJECTED LOOK ON IT'S FACE....

 

[quiltnchik]

From what I understand, there are many hunters here in VA that buy them for that purpose (I know someone that sells them), but they pay $4/ea for 5-week-old birds.

 

[morninggloryhatchery]

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WRONG, JUMBOS ARE EVEN MORE SLUGGISH THAN REGULAR SIZE BIRDS WHEN IT COMES TO FLUSHING. I BREED AND TRAIN LABS FOR UPLAND GAMEBIRDS AND WATERFOWL, MY LABS CAN WALK RIGHT OVER TO MY COTURNIX ESCAPEES AND JUST GENTLY PICK THEM UP AND FETCH THEM BACK TO ME--- THE BIRD ENDS UP FLOPPING ON THE GOUND AT MY FEET COVERED IN DOG SPIT WITH A TOTALLY DEJECTED LOOK ON IT'S FACE....

Well good for you but I also breed Labradors up here in Alaska and i have Champion Showing and Field Trial lines and i also bring one of my males to field trails that they hold up here in Alaska. They use Coturnix and then for ducks they just have whatever breed they have at the moment. Coturnix are great for dog training and i have alot of people that have my labs that also do field trails and say the exact same thing. Maybe there is something wrong with your quail. If you use them for dog training it is always best not to handle them and let them be as "wild" as possible.

 

[Boyd]

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That makes life easier. I'd still point out that these birds are not native to the buyer though. Me, I'd only sell natives to the folks I know where training dogs.

Swamp

Here in Michigan they tried to introduce Coturnix in the 70's. They found out what most of us quail breeders know. That Japanese quail don't go broody and won't repopulate in the wild. They've been too domesticated. Just about everybody who does coturnix has an incubator or 4

 

[monarc23]

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That makes life easier. I'd still point out that these birds are not native to the buyer though. Me, I'd only sell natives to the folks I know where training dogs.

Swamp

Here in Michigan they tried to introduce Coturnix in the 70's. They found out what most of us quail breeders know. That Japanese quail don't go broody and won't repopulate in the wild. They've been too domesticated. Just about everybody who does coturnix has an incubator or 4

Yeppers and in another study they found that the birds migrated way too much (the ones that didnt get eaten lol) and the collonies that "flew the coop" didn't make it.....not suprising lol. Also to swamproo, pheasants aren't native to the US either, people seem to forget that and they wonder why the birds aren't very sucessful at breeding here, well for the simple fact that this isn't normal for them. Most just sit along road ways hoping a vehicle feeds them, and in most cases instead it squishes them

I agree that coturnix should not be used/released but that's my personal oppinon....i just feel they shouldnt be used because they don't make it in the wild.... they may for a while if they're lucky but sooner or later life catches up with them... they don't brood their eggs so soon they are wipped out once their age is up or they get demoshed by a pred. I'm glad that coturnix don't reproduce in the wild, because they'd end up the same fate that the pheasants do here. Atleast here in pa, it's a shame that the Game commission is fighting ot make breeding habitat for pheasnts, but ignoring our native Bobwhites....i have NOT seen a bobwhite (wild) since i was a kid... that's sad.....and pathetic even.

 

[Swamp Roo]

Boyd: Being new to the breed and quail in general, that agrees with everything I've read about coturnix. I just don't like the idea of purposely letting loose exotics. I live in southern Florida and I can honestly say that I can't go ANYWHERE and not see the impact of escaped and released plants and animals. Florida has been called one big zoological park for a reason. Admittedly I enjoy some of them, but if they could be eradicated, I'd support it. An example would be the Oscars and Myan Chiclids that I love to fish for. Boy are they fun, but they displace and unbalance in a big way. Even the Peacock Bass that the state released back in the '80s to control some of the other exotics have moved WELL beyond what was though possible. It only takes that one bird to revert back to wilder instincts and it will be almost impossible to get rid of the results. It's that whole pesky Darwin genetic diversity thing.

Our native (FL strain) Bob Whites numbers are really low, they just could not deal with the added pressure. Having read some of your posts I know I'm preaching to the choir(sp?), just though I'd explain my reasoning.

Swamp