Araucana thread anyone?

Here is my two cents worth. First of all these are just chickens. They can feed a family and provide hours of entertainment and we each should feel free to have what ever breed, look, color, or style we want in our backyard.

Having said that I do get frustrated by new ones to the aracuana who start out just wanting the breed because of their egg color, lack of tail, beautiful tufts and personality. All very admirable and just reasons for wanting this breed. And pretty much why we all have fallen in love with them. However because they are just chickens most are purchased with the dollar in mind. No one starting out wants to spend the money, if they could even find them, on birds that are correct to the standard of perfection. So they buy hatching eggs or day old chicks or even adults with no real thought but that they will soon have araucana. Then they find out how awesome they are and think, " my birds are beautiful and I have a roo and a couple of hens, my friends want some, maybe I could sell some hatching eggs on ebay too". So because they are just chickens, they breed them never thinking about what makes an araucana what it is today. This becomes my pet peeve. The Standard of Perfection is in place to give those of us who want to breed and maybe someday show our birds, a sense of direction or a goal to work toward. And if we get down right picky, the only true North American Araucana are the ones that exactly fit the Standard of Perfection.

The BBR per the SOP is a perfect case in point. Unfortunately that color has been all but lost because people have confused wild type with BBR for more than 30 years, so there are alot of wild type BBR running around, with everyone thinking they are the correct color for the Araucana. I will say it again, and risk IRE, there are only two breeders who are seriously working on the BBR in the approved SOP color which is wheaten. This means they have more than 1 rooster and more than 3 hens. They are making adjustments to their breeding program with every hatch, and are always on the look out for ways to improve their breeding strategies so as to produce consistantly the correctly color BBR. They have actual breeding pens where the only birds in those pens are based on wheatn. These people willing open themselves and their birds up to criticism by showing them at APA approved shows knowing that with each show they are learning and getting closer to that correct bird. As a wise friend recently said. You only can know that what you have, is what you think it is, by putting it to the test. The correct Araucana is composed of more parts than just, rumpless ness, blue eggs, and tufts. You have to consider feather color and quality, leg color, body shape and size, comb shape and size, head shape and size, the size of the eyes and how they are set on the head, temperment, and health and vigor.

You cannot judge the correct color for the araucana based on a rooster. You have to look at chick down and adult hen plumage. Plus you have to know the genetic makeup of each bird and how it pairs with the genetic makeup of the bird you are breeding it to. All of this makes a person a breeder, not just a keeper of chickens that happen to have babies. If you want to be a serious breeder of any breed you have to actually know about that breed where it came from, how it came about, where it is at the moment, and have a goal to improve it not just make more of it and hope you get it right.

I am going to stand on my bandwagon and say I, as a serious breeder of Araucana chickens, am in posession of the following which I find invaluable in making my breeding decisions:

Brian Readers book "An Introduction To Color Forms of the Domestic Fowl"
Cathy Brunsons book " Araucana Rings on their Ears"
The National Geographic Magazine April, 1927 containing the article " The Races of Domestic Fowl"
The National Geographic Magazine September 1948 containing the article " Easter Egg Chickens"
David Cauldills book " Araucana Poulterers Handbook "
And last but not least

The 2010 Standard Of Perfection from the American Poultry Association.

I am sure my thoughts will make a few of you upset but please realize I consider myself to be a breeder who breeds toward the standard of perfection. I do also have what I call yard araucana. Pretty birds that do not meet the standard and are not bred from. I also have a project color pen made up of rumpless tufted birds that are not a SOP approved color but do breed true. I know the genetic makeup of these birds and am working to breed their color. I hope to begin showing a few of them under AOV next year.



By the way Caj1985, that hen you posted a pic of is stunning. She has the perfect booty.


Lanae
 
Speaking of Wheaten Araucanas... I recently purchased 2 wheaten pullets and 1 rooster from Anne of Sky Blue Eggs. I am really thinking the one "pullet" is a rooster as well What is really weird is "her" comb didn't turn red until the rooster arrived.


The one in the back is the rooster and the one in front is the pullet. Here is a picture of them together:








This is the other wheaten pullet she sent to me. Her comb is not turning red or even pink







I considered showing the rooster that was sent to me as Ann said he was show quality. After careful consideration, I am just not willing to take my birds off of my place and risk them bringing back a disease to the rest. That may sound lame but I have a friend that gets whatever birds at the auction and then all her birds get sick. She is constantly fighting lice and I have never had any on my chickens.

Anyway, I would appreciate it, if you in the know would let me know if I have two roosters or is it still a rooster and two pullets. If it is two roosters, could you suggest someone in my area - Southwestern Washington state - that might be interested in a wheaten based rooster.

Thanks!

Vickie
 
Here is my two cents worth. First of all these are just chickens. They can feed a family and provide hours of entertainment and we each should feel free to have what ever breed, look, color, or style we want in our backyard.

Having said that I do get frustrated by new ones to the aracuana who start out just wanting the breed because of their egg color, lack of tail, beautiful tufts and personality. All very admirable and just reasons for wanting this breed. And pretty much why we all have fallen in love with them. However because they are just chickens most are purchased with the dollar in mind. No one starting out wants to spend the money, if they could even find them, on birds that are correct to the standard of perfection. So they buy hatching eggs or day old chicks or even adults with no real thought but that they will soon have araucana. Then they find out how awesome they are and think, " my birds are beautiful and I have a roo and a couple of hens, my friends want some, maybe I could sell some hatching eggs on ebay too". So because they are just chickens, they breed them never thinking about what makes an araucana what it is today. This becomes my pet peeve. The Standard of Perfection is in place to give those of us who want to breed and maybe someday show our birds, a sense of direction or a goal to work toward. And if we get down right picky, the only true North American Araucana are the ones that exactly fit the Standard of Perfection.

The BBR per the SOP is a perfect case in point. Unfortunately that color has been all but lost because people have confused wild type with BBR for more than 30 years, so there are alot of wild type BBR running around, with everyone thinking they are the correct color for the Araucana. I will say it again, and risk IRE, there are only two breeders who are seriously working on the BBR in the approved SOP color which is wheaten. This means they have more than 1 rooster and more than 3 hens. They are making adjustments to their breeding program with every hatch, and are always on the look out for ways to improve their breeding strategies so as to produce consistantly the correctly color BBR. They have actual breeding pens where the only birds in those pens are based on wheatn. These people willing open themselves and their birds up to criticism by showing them at APA approved shows knowing that with each show they are learning and getting closer to that correct bird. As a wise friend recently said. You only can know that what you have, is what you think it is, by putting it to the test. The correct Araucana is composed of more parts than just, rumpless ness, blue eggs, and tufts. You have to consider feather color and quality, leg color, body shape and size, comb shape and size, head shape and size, the size of the eyes and how they are set on the head, temperment, and health and vigor.

You cannot judge the correct color for the araucana based on a rooster. You have to look at chick down and adult hen plumage. Plus you have to know the genetic makeup of each bird and how it pairs with the genetic makeup of the bird you are breeding it to. All of this makes a person a breeder, not just a keeper of chickens that happen to have babies. If you want to be a serious breeder of any breed you have to actually know about that breed where it came from, how it came about, where it is at the moment, and have a goal to improve it not just make more of it and hope you get it right.

I am going to stand on my bandwagon and say I, as a serious breeder of Araucana chickens, am in posession of the following which I find invaluable in making my breeding decisions:

Brian Readers book "An Introduction To Color Forms of the Domestic Fowl"
Cathy Brunsons book " Araucana Rings on their Ears"
The National Geographic Magazine April, 1927 containing the article " The Races of Domestic Fowl"
The National Geographic Magazine September 1948 containing the article " Easter Egg Chickens"
David Cauldills book " Araucana Poulterers Handbook "
And last but not least

The 2010 Standard Of Perfection from the American Poultry Association.

I am sure my thoughts will make a few of you upset but please realize I consider myself to be a breeder who breeds toward the standard of perfection. I do also have what I call yard araucana. Pretty birds that do not meet the standard and are not bred from. I also have a project color pen made up of rumpless tufted birds that are not a SOP approved color but do breed true. I know the genetic makeup of these birds and am working to breed their color. I hope to begin showing a few of them under AOV next year.



By the way Caj1985, that hen you posted a pic of is stunning. She has the perfect booty.


Lanae
I understand what you are saying, being that it is your own 2 cents. What is the harm if people want them in their flock, that doesn't affect the serious breeders. If someone buys off ebay, then it is buyer beware. I don't buy off ebay, I don't buy at auctions (due to mites and diseases) I do sell my culls at auction, again buyer beware. I will be receiving my first hatching eggs from Ray-n-Debi on here. I like the looks of the bird and they will make a nice addition to my colored egg flock. Some of us do go for the egg color, because, from my understanding, without the egg color, they are not true. That is my 2 cents.
 
I understand what you are saying, being that it is your own 2 cents. What is the harm if people want them in their flock, that doesn't affect the serious breeders. If someone buys off ebay, then it is buyer beware. I don't buy off ebay, I don't buy at auctions (due to mites and diseases) I do sell my culls at auction, again buyer beware. I will be receiving my first hatching eggs from Ray-n-Debi on here. I like the looks of the bird and they will make a nice addition to my colored egg flock. Some of us do go for the egg color, because, from my understanding, without the egg color, they are not true. That is my 2 cents.
The harm is not in the buying but in the selling again because you have pretty birds and you bought them as araucana, so you sell them as araucana with no thought to what they should look like. So yes buyer beware, but the seller has a certain responsibility wether they choose to accept it or not, to sell a hopefully decent product.

Lanae
 
Speaking of Wheaten Araucanas... I recently purchased 2 wheaten pullets and 1 rooster from Anne of Sky Blue Eggs. I am really thinking the one "pullet" is a rooster as well What is really weird is "her" comb didn't turn red until the rooster arrived.


The one in the back is the rooster and the one in front is the pullet. Here is a picture of them together:








This is the other wheaten pullet she sent to me. Her comb is not turning red or even pink







I considered showing the rooster that was sent to me as Ann said he was show quality. After careful consideration, I am just not willing to take my birds off of my place and risk them bringing back a disease to the rest. That may sound lame but I have a friend that gets whatever birds at the auction and then all her birds get sick. She is constantly fighting lice and I have never had any on my chickens.

Anyway, I would appreciate it, if you in the know would let me know if I have two roosters or is it still a rooster and two pullets. If it is two roosters, could you suggest someone in my area - Southwestern Washington state - that might be interested in a wheaten based rooster.

Thanks!

Vickie
I like the top rooster better than the bottom one from what I can see. The pullet is a red pyle based on wheaten. So she has dominant white which can be difficult to breed around. But I would breed her to the top roo and keep the ones that feather out correctly and then you are well on your way to a wheaten based program. The second roo can then be bred to the offspring of the first roo depending on how he feathers out.

Lanae
 
Now that the days are turning cold and the year is winding down, I think it would be great if everyone shared a recap of their year. For those that are working on SOP or project, lets talk about accomplishments and set backs...and pictures would be great. Darn, I wish I would have taken some today.

In my little backyard flock, I am working on Blue, Black and Barred/Cuckoo. My original trio that I purchased all had white earlobes so I have been trying to breed that out of them. It has not been easy. I purchased a nice blue roo with red earlobes. His daughters all had white earlobes. I kept the best two and breed them back to him this year expecting half to have red lobes. They all hatched out white again this year. I did produce one beautiful black pullet, with white earlobes, that I will be keeping to try again next year.
My other goal this year was to produce four rumpless tufted barred pullets. I ended up with three worth keeping. I also have one barred roo that is rumpless and clean faced. He has red earlobes which I am very excited about! I also kept three rumpless clean faced barred pullets.
My biggest disappointment...
Maybe it was wish-full thinking but, I had hoped to get two generations this year. I began incubating new pullet eggs in February and should have had baby chicks in March. I had hoped to be getting new pullet eggs in September to hatch a second generation. My spring fertility was zero so first chicks weren't hatching until May. I did get the first pullet egg yesterday from the one black pullet I kept from the spring. :)
So going forward into next year..
One pen will have my blue tufted rumpless rooster with three barred and one black pullet, all clean faced and rumpless.
The second pen will have my clean faced barred rooster with three barred and one blue pullet, all tufted and rumpless.
The goals next year will be the same... I am looking for solid black and black barred, no leakage, with red earlobes, nice tight comb and wattles.
Ohhhh, and now that someone has suggested that barring is not 100% tied to pigment inhibitors in the shanks, I will also be looking for that one in million chick that is barred and has green legs! :)
 
This years accomplishments: Not as many as I had hoped.

I hatched close to 50 wheatens and have kept 5 with two being tufted, to move forward for the next year. I had hoped to have the hens alot lighter this year than last but not the case. Baby steps. I bought 2 new roos and 2 new hens for my wheaten breeding pens. As I am watching the roos grow, 1 roo I wont be using because he is built wrong, more Jersey Giant than Araucana. So that leaves me with 1 new roo. For my wheaten BBRs going forward with this falls hatching season, I have 15 hens and 3 roosters with a rooster in reserve. Of those I have two close to perfectly colored hens and 2 roos that look really good. Not bad for pulling the wheaten from my wild types years ago. It definately has been harder than just buying them but they are mine, so that feels good.

My duckwing pen has been pretty good this year. I hatched 1 show quality pullet and have had good success showing her. She goes to stockton in January. And then Humboldt county in February. I had hatched a really nice silver roo that had lovely tufts, but I sold one that wasn't quite as nice and it died in transit so I shipped them my good roo as replacement. That still hurts but it was the right thing to do.

I hatched a stunning black pullet that has gotten 1st place at the last poultry show and will be going to Stockton and then Humboldt county for the shows this winter. She was a surprise because she hatched out of my duckwing pen. I guess I have some excess melanizers floating around in that pen. I have two duckwing pens up and running at the moment. One pen is my silvers and another is my goldens. I have 3 hens without a roo at the moment and I traded some of my blacks and blues for an excellantly colored silver duckwing roo to go with them. I get him next week.

In my red paint pen I have the original roo and this year I bred him to a wheaten hen and hatched for red paint pullets who will be bred to him this fall. I am hoping that the color stabilizes and is not sexually dimorphic. So far so good. The pullets are definately red paints just not as much red.

I will post pics later. Heading to dinner right now. But those are the only colors I work with the APA Dark Wheaten ( BBR) Silver Duckwing, Golden Duckwing, and Red Spotted.


Lanae
 

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