Are showgirls a seperate breed than silkies?

[Sonoran Silkies]

Both APA and ABA recognise frizzle for ALL BREEDS. Judging them in their breed is a change since the standards were last printed, so you would need to refer to association meeting minutes. For ABA the change was approved 27 April 2007. The wording of these minutes is clear that this is to bring it in line with the APA, which made the change a year or two earlier.

My 2005 Bantam Standard specifically mentions RIR as a recognised frizzle breed.

 

[Chris09]

Ok I see now..
They would have to be shown in the Frizzle class to the APA standard of the RIR like horn color beak and the shanks and toes yellowredish horn and there not in the RIR class....
Chris...

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

No, they compete against other RIR. There is no longer a separate frizzle class.

Their feathering would be judged by frizzle standards, but other standards, such as you mentioned, would be judged based upon the RIR standard. I would expect that there is a hard/soft feathering difference between frizzles of breeds with that difference, and that that would be considered in judging. A frizzled bird can win BB for any breed if the judge believes that they are worthy, and they will then progress into competition for Champion SCCL.

If there is a separate frizzle competition, then they will also compete against other frizzles, but otherwise, not (unless a bunch of them made it to championship row).

 

[Chris09]

I just got a e-mail from 2 APA judges that say that show in the frizzle class now I dont know..LOL
Chris

 

[Chris09]

I don't know LOL

Chris

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

When I get a moment I will copy the pertinent portions of the ABA minutes.

 

[Chris09]

ok

 

[Glenda L Heywood]

in the case of the modern game talked about here
the frizzle modern game would be put in the modern game asile at a show
as with the frizzled Rhode Island Red it would be put in the RIR asile at a show

the reason as frizzle club secretary I objected at the making the frizzle variety a part of each class was that it is hard to judge a frizzle bird in a class of smooth feathered birds

(1 the correct frizzle feathering has to be considered

(2 if the frizzle feathering is wide enough feathers and frizzled towards the face

(3 the frizzle bird needs the correct body type for its breed type

(4 ie: RIR's and Cochins have a different breed type standard
of which each has to be judged according to its bred type

the frizzle will not get the same consideration
thus losing the credit for being a good typed frizzle of the breed type

thus the folks who show frizzles actually lost ground as originally we had the following for frizzles

(1 they were all caged in the show barn in one area and caged according to the breed type

(2 then all frizzles were judged for amt of correct frizzling and correct breed type

(3 then the champion frizzle was picked and it went up against the champion of the regular bird in the type

(4 ie: champion frizzle is a cochin frizzle
then it goes up against champion cochin and decided if it is good enough to be champion feather leg.

I have seen some very good frizzle cochins that were show champions in my day

but people felt they could win the class champion against the regular feathered birds and they wanted the frizzles put in their breed type area of the show barn for their judging

so the ABA changed their location for the judging of the frizzles

the Sizzle will be a different thing even though it has a
totally a different feather type than silkies
silkies have a feather with out any folicle to it just a soft feather type
It still will be a feather legged bird having to be shown in the feather leg class group

where as the sizzle has the cochin hard feather and loses the silkie soft feather making it not really a silkie
it still will be a feather legged bird

so sizzle will have to be put in the AOV class in the APA

BUT NOW THE ABA
has different classes
there is no AOV in the ABA
and Silkies are in feather legged class
so sizzle has to be in the feather leg class also

and the any other comb clean leg will not fit the ABA status of a sizzle class
so the sizzle will have to compete against the silkie for chmpion feather leg in the ABA

frizzles now are listed in their breed type's as I listed in the afore mentioned post

ie:ABA
feather legged
any other comb clean leg
single comb clean legged
rose comb clean legged
Modern Game
old english gam and american game
there is no frizzle bantam ducks

the APA has frizzle large fowl in
feather legged varieties
clean legged varieties

I believe the APA uses
any other variety and the ABA uses any other comb clean leg

One needs to buy a APA standard and ABA standard to learn about the classifications

any other questions email me

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Ok--I am exerpting pertinent section of the Minutes from the 2007 Semi-Annual Meeting, Directors Meeting, American Bantam Association held in Great Falls, Montana on April 27, 2007. This is printed on page 137 of the 2008 ABA Yearbook. I added the bold formatting for highlight.

A third order of business put forth by the [Standard] committee was the proposed change and unification issue. This wording would address the placement of frizzles in the showroom and would change the judging instructions as it is currently printed in the Bantam Standard to the following:

1.) The committee recommends that the section regarding Frizzles on Page 18 of the Bantam Standard be striken and replaced with the following words:

"Frizzles shall be cooped with the varieties and breeds they are entered under so that they are judged as such. If the show also hosts a separate Frizzle meet the awards for this meet shall be chosen from the Frizzles exhibited."


2) That the second paragraph on Page 96 be striken. It states:

"No Frizzle Bantam shall compete for awards under the various other breeds & bantam varieties. However a Frizzle bantam may compete in any of the six classes as provided under the rules of the American Bantam Association."

This action, if approved by the board of directors, will permit Frizzles to compete for all awards that the ABA offers. It also removes another "difference" the ABA and APA work hard to eliminate under "Unification."

The Standard Committee reported the wording, as printed in the quarterly and has been met with favorable feedback. A motion to adopt the new wording was made by Heather Hayes and seconded by Jeff Halbach. A vote was taken. The results were as follows. Yes - 8, No - 1, Abstain - 0.

I'm not precisely sure when the APA made that change--I believe it was a year or two earlier--I expect Glenda would know.​

 

[shay20]

You guys are awsome for shareing those.

and frizzle modern game- I would to see that, please any pics.