Are store-bought poultry (chicken and turkey) fed medicated chick feed

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I found the part of your statement that I've highlighted rather humorous.....since it seems the the "food inc" goupies are already thinking along those lines in that they know better than the families who have been doing it for many, many years how to farm and feed this nation and a good portion of the rest of the world. The way I see it they are the uneducated & ill-equiped group that wants to be in charge. I'm sure there are some that have some sort of ag background, but for the most part, that group seems to be made up of people who have never made their living or life from agriculture and have a "rose colored glasses" prospective of the whole thing. Are there things that need to be improved?....sure there are, but I'm really tired of people reading a book or seeing on a movie screen issues portrayed in a way to suit the writer or director's point of view and taking that as the gospel truth. "Facts" can be found to prove whatever viewpoint a person wants to put out there......doesn't mean it's the truth.

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Well put, Katy. I dont believe anyone should talk down on a group until they've been in their position. If you've never raised livestock/crops for mass production, you dont realize all of the work put into it. You dont raise thousands upon thousands of chickens and then treat them like garbage like many people want you to believe. If you did that, you'd never get any to market & you'd be broke. I could ramble, but I have to go to a rehearsal dinner. Again, well said, Katy.
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Well, the way I see it Respect Street runs both ways. If an agricultural model is to be formed that can benefit all members of it and the rifts in the ag community that are compounding daily are to be repaired it is going to require both the conventional and alternative agricultural supporters to come together and work collectively.

Are there sustainable and organic farmers and their supporters who are loathsome of conventional farmers, who let their tongues slip when they shouldn't? Sure. But they're far fewer and far less common than the conventional farmers who are taking aim at the other guys these days. Most members of the alternative movement whether farmers or just advocates are mindful of the work of farmers in general. In fact, much of the current literature and media on the subject makes a point to include at least a portion of the material covering the genuine difficulties facing American farmers of all sizes including how hard it is to make money.

For the first time since the WWII era the message is beginning to be something other than 'get big or get out' and that's scary for those that have spent much of their lives adjusting to dealing with that agricultural climate to begin with. But what's going on now is a good thing. If meaningful conversation is going to take place however, it's going to require alternative ag proponents to see the big farmer, not just his unsustainable tools of the trade. And just as much it's going to require the conventional farmer to see his alternative counterpart not as a threat, a "groupie", an uneducated, ill-equipped and rosy-colored glasses wearing enemy, but a farmer and an ally. Plain and simple.
 
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I dont understand why in a commercial standpoint, they're mutants, but if a BYC'er raises them they're a delicious chicken.

Well, I reckon they're mutants no matter who raises them or how they are raised. Does that help?

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I dont understand why in a commercial standpoint, they're mutants, but if a BYC'er raises them they're a delicious chicken. They're the same exact breed, raised the same period of time, and raised the same way. I raise my chicks in a brooder, with a heating system, plenty of feed, water and bedding.... as do commercial farms.

I didnt realize if you raised a couple thousand together they randomly mutated into munsters.

Wait a sec....have you eaten pasture raised meat birds before?
 
So, the feed fed by commercial operations that is scientifically formulated by poultry nutritionists is faulty compared to the bagged stuff that one purchases at the local feed store that is formulated by the very same nutritionsts makes the former birds obese and unhealthy? I have seen ( when I was with Veterinary Pathology where people braught in their dead birds) many a backyard chicken raised by people that have no clue, keep chickens in pens that are in knee deep mud and poop and the coops so filthy that it makes one's eyes burn. I have seen chicken coops with litter filth over a foot deep with all the eggs in nest boxes simply covered with poop. I have seen chickens eating their pen mates' feathers off each others backs and bloody infected raw areas on the backs and butts. I have seen chickens raised in crowded "tractors" on grass, so contaminated with poop that the birds never eat any of the grass they are on. How healthy is that? Yet I have never heard any outcry of Animal abuse for these mistreated birds simply because they were not raised by an industrial farm.
 
And that is why we promote BYC! And to borrow a phrase from Weston A Price, " you teach, you teach, you teach"!

We do not use commercial feed. We feed a whole grain/fishmeal formula in addition to all the greens and bugs they can devour.

No health issues, no deaths, no broken bones, shortness of breath, etc.
 
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well, to start, industrial raised cornish Xs are fed a much higher protein feed than i would feed my own birds, even if they were formulated by the same people (which mine isn't because it's organic and soy free). and industrially raised birds don't get to eat grass and bugs and all that good stuff. isn't that what we've all been talking about all over this forum? about how different the eggs (and meat) taste because of the way we raise them?

Yet I have never heard any outcry of Animal abuse for these mistreated birds simply because they were not raised by an industrial farm.

i find that hard to believe. my local SPCA just rescued a bunch of birds from an illegal "gambling ring" and i've heard COUNTLESS stories about people rescuing mistreated chickens. even animals that end up as dinner deserve to be treated with some dignity.

and why is that your example? no one who is advocating a more sustainable agricultural system is going to celebrate people who abuse their poultry. i don't see the point in bringing all that up...?​
 
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Well, I reckon they're mutants no matter who raises them or how they are raised. Does that help?

i'm with Buster on that one. i wouldn't have them on my farm. i have lots of respect for people like Beekissed who are raising them in the best way imaginable, but i still don't want them for myself. i'm happy with spare heritage, dual purpose cockerels and spent layers.
 
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I dont understand why in a commercial standpoint, they're mutants, but if a BYC'er raises them they're a delicious chicken. They're the same exact breed, raised the same period of time, and raised the same way. I raise my chicks in a brooder, with a heating system, plenty of feed, water and bedding.... as do commercial farms.

I didnt realize if you raised a couple thousand together they randomly mutated into munsters.

Some BYC'ers don't raise them right for my table. I'm just saying to each his own here. No offense intended. I don't like the Cornish crosses either. Thought about trying them, but the store bought has so much gristle so I decided not. They grow too fast for my taste
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Commercial farms can't afford to do it the way I do without going out of business. SO...why not just let well enough alone for everybody. I call them mutants because they are too big too fast whoever grows them.
 

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