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[Polish and Silkies]

Gold laced hen with Candy Corn rooster would be even better: that should give Candy Corn offspring and maybe some Gold Laced Offspring, but no other colors. Candy Corn roosters are supposed to be double barred (two barring genes), but the cockerels from a candy corn/gold laced cross will be single barred (one barring gene.)

I have another question about this. So I got chicks from her too, I’m just now realizing that they don’t look the same though. So I got 2 Tolbunts that look ok, but she said there’s 4. The other 2 look golden laced so I’m wondering if you think they’re candy corn. Like you said, if she had bred a golden laced and cuckoo, there might be golden laced hens? I’m wondering if that’s what it is because then I have about 6 more of the buff laced ones that she called candy corn. They look like my older ones, but there’s about 2-3 that looked like they might be barred instead of laced. This might just be me getting the hang of lacing and barring but they look different to me. I can post some pictures of them if you need to see them, but I just want to make sure what I have, and if they’re something I want to keep or not.

 

[NatJ]

I have another question about this. So I got chicks from her too, I’m just now realizing that they don’t look the same though. So I got 2 Tolbunts that look ok, but she said there’s 4. The other 2 look golden laced so I’m wondering if you think they’re candy corn. Like you said, if she had bred a golden laced and cuckoo, there might be golden laced hens? I’m wondering if that’s what it is because then I have about 6 more of the buff laced ones that she called candy corn. They look like my older ones, but there’s about 2-3 that looked like they might be barred instead of laced. This might just be me getting the hang of lacing and barring but they look different to me. I can post some pictures of them if you need to see them, but I just want to make sure what I have, and if they’re something I want to keep or not.

Sometimes they will show one pattern in their feathers when they are chicks, and a different one when they grow up. The adult one is the one that really matters.

Yes, you certainly can show pictures, and someone here can help identify them.

Yes, depending on what breedings have been happening, there might be some gold laced birds from some of them.

 

[Polish and Silkies]

Sometimes they will show one pattern in their feathers when they are chicks, and a different one when they grow up. The adult one is the one that really matters.

Yes, you certainly can show pictures, and someone here can help identify them.

Yes, depending on what breedings have been happening, there might be some gold laced birds from some of them.

These are the parents

These are what I got

The laced ones don’t have that good of lacing, and they’re a lot darker than the other ones. It makes what I think are the barred chicks stand out so I’m just wondering what you think they are.

 

[NatJ]

These are the parents
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These are what I got
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The laced ones don’t have that good of lacing, and they’re a lot darker than the other ones. It makes what I think are the barred chicks stand out so I’m just wondering what you think they are.

If those are the parents, here is what I think is going on genetically:

--rooster is probably Candy Corn. He has genes for gold with black lacing, and one gene for white barring. He gives gold-with-black to every chick, and barring to half of chicks. But his lacing is not very good. He might actually have the genes for Gold Columbian rather than Gold Laced, to go with his white barring. (Gold Columbian is the color pattern in Buff Brahmas.)

--hen is Buff Laced (gold with white lacing, no barring), but she only has one Dominant White gene (turns black into white.) So she gives gold to all chicks, Dominant White to half and and the gene allowing black to the other half.

That would mean all chicks get the genes for gold with lacing. Half of them have black lacing, the other half have white lacing. Half of chicks have white barring across their other coloring, half do not. As you noticed, some of the lacing is not very good lacing.

I'm pretty sure I see one chick that has gold with white lacing, and has white barring as well.

Lacing is black or white curving around the edge of each feather, barring is white in stripes across each feather.

I see one chick white lots of black and some white, but not obvious gold. I don't think those parents could produce a chick with that coloring, but I'm not clear whether it supposedly came from them or whether it just hopped into the picture to be confusing.

 

[Polish and Silkies]

If those are the parents, here is what I think is going on genetically:

--rooster is probably Candy Corn. He has genes for gold with black lacing, and one gene for white barring. He gives gold-with-black to every chick, and barring to half of chicks. But his lacing is not very good. He might actually have the genes for Gold Columbian rather than Gold Laced, to go with his white barring. (Gold Columbian is the color pattern in Buff Brahmas.)

--hen is Buff Laced (gold with white lacing, no barring), but she only has one Dominant White gene (turns black into white.) So she gives gold to all chicks, Dominant White to half and and the gene allowing black to the other half.

That would mean all chicks get the genes for gold with lacing. Half of them have black lacing, the other half have white lacing. Half of chicks have white barring across their other coloring, half do not. As you noticed, some of the lacing is not very good lacing.

I'm pretty sure I see one chick that has gold with white lacing, and has white barring as well.

Lacing is black or white curving around the edge of each feather, barring is white in stripes across each feather.

I see one chick white lots of black and some white, but not obvious gold. I don't think those parents could produce a chick with that coloring, but I'm not clear whether it supposedly came from them or whether it just hopped into the picture to be confusing.

So would these chicks not be good to breed? Should I try or would that mess up the coloring and patterns of future chicks? I’m surprised with how much you know, and hope you can get back to me. Thank you!

 

[NatJ]

So would these chicks not be good to breed? Should I try or would that mess up the coloring and patterns of future chicks? I’m surprised with how much you know, and hope you can get back to me. Thank you!

If these are what you have, I would probably use the gold laced ones and the light ones that have barring (crosswise white bars in the feathers), but not the one that looks Buff Laced (gold & white but the white does not make white bars across the feathers.)

For any mating, try to have at least one parent with barring, and at least one parent that shows black & gold, and you should get some chicks with the black & gold plus white barring.

 

[Polish and Silkies]

If these are what you have, I would probably use the gold laced ones and the light ones that have barring (crosswise white bars in the feathers), but not the one that looks Buff Laced (gold & white but the white does not make white bars across the feathers.)

For any mating, try to have at least one parent with barring, and at least one parent that shows black & gold, and you should get some chicks with the black & gold plus white barring.

Ok, thank you. You’ve been really helpful, I appreciate it! I’ll see what they give me when they’re older.

 

[Strawberry74]

@NatJ I was just reading through all these posts trying to get a little information on some chicks I just hatched from a DB candy corn rooster and a mix of candy corn hens and 1 mostly black, golden laced frizzle hen. If I'm reading this correctly, all the candy corn hens chicks will breed true candy corns and be auto sexing. I'm curious what the offspring between the rooster and the Frizzle Golden Lace polish will produce. One of the chicks is definitely a frizzle but seems to have candy corn coloring. Also, one of my candy corn hens is bearded, how does that gene present in offspring?

 

[NatJ]

@NatJ I was just reading through all these posts trying to get a little information on some chicks I just hatched from a DB candy corn rooster and a mix of candy corn hens and 1 mostly black, golden laced frizzle hen.

That sounds like a nice flock!

If I'm reading this correctly, all the candy corn hens chicks will breed true candy corns and be auto sexing.

That sounds right to me.

I'm curious what the offspring between the rooster and the Frizzle Golden Lace polish will produce. One of the chicks is definitely a frizzle but seems to have candy corn coloring.

Half of offspring should have frizzle feathers, the other half should have normal feathers.

If the Candy Corn rooster has two barring genes, he will give one to each chick.

Since barring is on the Z sex chromosome, female chicks will have one barring gene, just like pure Candy Corn female chicks. (Because female chicks have one Z chromosome that can have barring, and one W chromosome that makes them female. That's why Candy Corn females have just one barring gene, and it's what makes them autosexing.)

Male chicks will have one barring gene and one not-barring gene, so they should look Candy Corn but darker than the pure Candy Corns. If they sire chicks, they will give a barring gene to about half of chicks and a not-barring gene to the other half of chicks.

Also, one of my candy corn hens is bearded, how does that gene present in offspring?

The beard gene is dominant.

If the hen has one beard gene, she will give a beard gene to about half her chicks and a not-beard gene to the other half of her chicks. So that would mean half of her chicks have beards and the other half do not, if their father has no beard.

If the hen has two beard genes, she will give a beard gene to every chick she produces, so all of her chicks will have beards.

(Beard and frizzle are autosomal genes, inherited the same by males or females. They do not have the sexlinked inheritance that the barring gene does.)

 

[Strawberry74]

That sounds like a nice flock!


That sounds right to me.


Half of offspring should have frizzle feathers, the other half should have normal feathers.

If the Candy Corn rooster has two barring genes, he will give one to each chick.

Since barring is on the Z sex chromosome, female chicks will have one barring gene, just like pure Candy Corn female chicks. (Because female chicks have one Z chromosome that can have barring, and one W chromosome that makes them female. That's why Candy Corn females have just one barring gene, and it's what makes them autosexing.)

Male chicks will have one barring gene and one not-barring gene, so they should look Candy Corn but darker than the pure Candy Corns. If they sire chicks, they will give a barring gene to about half of chicks and a not-barring gene to the other half of chicks.


The beard gene is dominant.

If the hen has one beard gene, she will give a beard gene to about half her chicks and a not-beard gene to the other half of her chicks. So that would mean half of her chicks have beards and the other half do not, if their father has no beard.

If the hen has two beard genes, she will give a beard gene to every chick she produces, so all of her chicks will have beards.

(Beard and frizzle are autosomal genes, inherited the same by males or females. They do not have the sexlinked inheritance that the barring gene does.)

Thank you for responding so quickly! The genetic stuff is sort of overwhelming for me to wrap my head around, but you explain it very well.

So with the chick that's frizzled, I don't really have any idea of gender, correct? Just that the color will be a darker candy corn? Well, I guess with any of these three because I'm not sure which hens lay the eggs. Sounds like the Frizzle hen will have chicks that are smooth feathered as well and she could have laid them all for all I know. Of the ones I set only five developed and three made it to hatch.

I have no way of knowing if the bearded hen has two copies, but is it possible that my double-barred rooster has a copy of the bearding gene that did not present on him that he could pass on to his offspring?

Do you have any experience visually sexing polish chicks? Can they be wing sexed? Is the shape of the head feathering any indication when they're really little?