are y'all better off than you were 4 years ago ?

[rebelcowboysnb]

Yall do understand that those $700 pills were invented because of the money from those $700 pills that came before it. If you pull the companies rights to charge what ever they want for there new invention, they will not have any reason to invent. As it is now they only have a few years as it is to recoup there investment before other companies can start making that pill too at a cheep price.

People also dont spend 1/4th of a million dollars an 8 years of there life to work for nothing. Yes doctors make good money but they have earned it an they have loans to prove it.

Then there is the hospitals, the one around Chattanooga are just breaking even now. When they cut what they can charge it will be bad...


Fact is that money is why we have doctors, hospitals, new meds/treatments. Cut the money incentive by half an you will cut all of them by half too.

There is not many people that will work for nothing. I volunteered in EMS for 13 years an can tell you that cheaper does not mean better care for anyone.



Yes, everyone has a right to healthcare. But no one has a right to anyone else money or work. Socialized medicine is sold as giving everyone the right to health care, but you have that already. What it is really about is making someone else pay for it by force or making someone work for practically nothing by force.

Think about it, if the government told you that you had start taking a set monthly pay that is half what you make now so it can tax an afford to give your services free to everyone. Would you stay in that job? If you have people working for you, could you afford to not fire them?

 

[oldrooster]

Thank you Reb for some brains on that topic. that's why some people commit crimes they get 3 hots and a cot and clothing health care and they don't have to work a bit and they sit around all day watching cable TV. I personally know a couple of people and that's why they are there, no responsibilities and everything is given it to them.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

I am not good at reading stocks so someone correct me if I am wrong...
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=...n;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

But they way I read this is that the owners of Pfizer Inc are making about $0.88 dividend a year off of every $25 they have invested in that company. That is 3.5% return. I think I do about that in my savings account.

 

[RHRanch]

Yall do understand that those $700 pills were invented because of the money from those $700 pills that came before it. If you pull the companies rights to charge what ever they want for there new invention, they will not have any reason to invent. As it is now they only have a few years as it is to recoup there investment before other companies can start making that pill too at a cheep price.

People also dont spend 1/4th of a million dollars an 8 years of there life to work for nothing. Yes doctors make good money but they have earned it an they have loans to prove it.

Then there is the hospitals, the one around Chattanooga are just breaking even now. When they cut what they can charge it will be bad...


Fact is that money is why we have doctors, hospitals, new meds/treatments. Cut the money incentive by half an you will cut all of them by half too.

There is not many people that will work for nothing. I volunteered in EMS for 13 years an can tell you that cheaper does not mean better care for anyone.



Yes, everyone has a right to healthcare. But no one has a right to anyone else money or work. Socialized medicine is sold as giving everyone the right to health care, but you have that already. What it is really about is making someone else pay for it by force or making someone work for practically nothing by force.

Think about it, if the government told you that you had start taking a set monthly pay that is half what you make now so it can tax an afford to give your services free to everyone. Would you stay in that job? If you have people working for you, could you afford to not fire them?

There is a lot of truth to what you say - Pharm companies do spend a fortune developing drugs and they charge a lot in part because developing, testing and marketing an new drug is costly! But, its a business, and a lot of the drugs they come up with cost so much to develop because they have to do all kinds of work "developing" a drug, which is actually coming up with a drug, testing it to see what it does, then trying to develop applications for it. For example, say they come up with a new drug and they test it on rats with all kinds of problems, from cancer to diabetes, they see what the new drug is effective on... If it's effective on depression, they develop it as a new depression drug, which includes all kinds of safety and other testing, which is quite expensive... So after a few years of this when they finally want to sell it, they make a marketing campaign, and this includes "hotlines" and local "reachout centers" and the like, funded (at enormous expense) by the pharmeceutical company. At the same time, they start having the drug talked up at seminars, special events, and conventions - and in the cases of many drugs, they are talked up to have efficacy greater than the "old" drugs, even if it's not true... spin, spin spin.... They do whatever they can to get these drugs prescribed because of the huge investment they have made, not necessarily because it's a fabulous and revolutionary drug. I'm not saying they never come up with a better drug, sometimes they do, but just as often they have come up with drugs with no greater or (significant) efficacy than the older ones... Finding out efficacy comes at later stages of drug development, so by the time they figure out a new antidepressent they have developed is not significantly better at treating depression than the other 3 popular ones, they have spent too much money and effort to scrap it. A good example I remember reading about was Prozac and another drug... I think it was prozac that was prescribed as a miricle drug, but if you really get into the literature, it wasn't much more (or any more?, I can't remember) than what was already around - I may be wrong about the particular drugs, but you get the point. My point is, yes, drug companies are making new drugs and treatments, but the way they go about it does not always result in better drugs or treatments, much of the time it is just a proliferation of new drugs that do the same things as the cheaper drugs already on the market.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Thank you Reb for some brains on that topic. that's why some people commit crimes they get 3 hots and a cot and clothing health care and they don't have to work a bit and they sit around all day watching cable TV. I personally know a couple of people and that's why they are there, no responsibilities and everything is given it to them.

Yea, local Sheriff is a good friend an over half of his budget goes to paying medical. Most of which is people that got there selves locked up so they could get free dental.


As I said, I use to volunteer in EMS. I make about $700 a month an was spending around $300 of that on fuel for my truck to run medical calls. Most of those calls were people that made more money than me an did not have an emergency but calling 911 cause it was free an they would call for a runny nose as act like I owed them something.

No one in my family is wealthy. I think my brother brings home about $32K so he is our high mark. I see people fighting to get medical every day so I understand... But Socialism is not the fix.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

My point is, yes, drug companies are making new drugs and treatments, but the way they go about it does not always result in better drugs or treatments, much of the time it is just a proliferation of new drugs that do the same things as the cheaper drugs already on the market.

Yep, not every drug is a winner but they all cost to develop. Now what you should pay for a pill is really up to you. You are the one that should be talking to your doctor about options an cost.

 

[catdaddyfro]

Thank you Reb for some brains on that topic. that's why some people commit crimes they get 3 hots and a cot and clothing health care and they don't have to work a bit and they sit around all day watching cable TV. I personally know a couple of people and that's why they are there, no responsibilities and everything is given it to them.

Just the other day there was a report of an elderly man went in a bank and held it up and demanded $1-one buck. WONDER why? Well he gets a free ride to Federal prison probly to live out his glory days in comfort and no cost from him. That's pretty good buy for a dollar huh?

Jeff

 

[chickened]

Yea, local Sheriff is a good friend an over half of his budget goes to paying medical. Most of which is people that got there selves locked up so they could get free dental.


As I said, I use to volunteer in EMS. I make about $700 a month an was spending around $300 of that on fuel for my truck to run medical calls. Most of those calls were people that made more money than me an did not have an emergency but calling 911 cause it was free an they would call for a runny nose as act like I owed them something.

No one in my family is wealthy. I think my brother brings home about $32K so he is our high mark. I see people fighting to get medical every day so I understand... But Socialism is not the fix.

Yep, everywhere this has been tried the end result is piles of dead people... is this what people really want?

 

[jbirds2012]

Silver lining! These past few years have taught me how to go back to basics. My food comes from a garden, my eggs will come from the chickens I'm going to start on after my buttons are hatched, and I have a grandpa with an arsenal of rifles, bows, and muzzle loaders that can help put meat on the table. I got an indoor garden started as well. So fresh veggies all year round for me!
Plus, I can say I now know how to hold on to money and get by without breaking my wallet.

yea, good fer you us too !! we are americans and we come from strong stock !!

 

[DennisK]

I’m torn between two very good points of views. I can appreciate ScottnLydia’s view of this subject, and I also agree with rebelcowboysnb’s reasoning. They point in two opposite directions, and I don’t think we will be able to go in both directions. So which is best? I’m no stranger to hospitals and drug bills, and I can appreciate the anguish people experience when a loved one is in that kind of trouble. I was lucky enough to be able to provide health insurance, but when I imagine watching the loss of life because of a lack of money – well that is simply unacceptable. But who should pay for all of this medical care? Let me suggest a point of view by asking this:
Who should pay for our roads so that we may participate in commerce? Who should pay for our airports? Who should pay for our military to protect us from our enemies?
Would it be too much to add this one other question: Who should pay for our healthcare providers to protect us from injury and disease?