Arizona Chickens

Oh yes, some photos!! How much bigger is jumbo? My girlfriend said she thinks that the white pigeon's get picked out by the hawks.. Who knows about that but are the white quail all white? What do you feed them? Did you buy fertile eggs or babies?

I see you are in Tempe, need to have you over for tea.. I have so many questions...
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Sometimes quite a bit bigger. I was at the Stock Shop on Thunderbird yesterday and they had Tibetans and a couple of other colors of coturnix and my DH even remarked how small they seem compared to the jumbos. The white ones all have some normal colored feathers, usually on the head but some on their backs or other random places. I think your girlfriend is right and the hawks pick off the pale ones first, but probably the owls even more since at night they would really stand out.

These are five weeks old now and the boys are starting to crow more and I saw one chasing girls today! There should be eggs soon. I'm feeding them organic 26% protein turkey starter. I had them on 22% chick starter and it wasn't enough protein and they were starting to feather pick! I also put in chunks of quail block that is 30% to give them more to do. I got mine as week old chicks so I've only had them a month!

Ah, tea! Mint tea is my favorite, but I like pretty much any kind. PM me and we can set up a time.

After some very, very, very irritating leaking delays, I installed the water cups in both coops yesterday. The chickens don't know how to use them. Am I supposed to show them? For those that aren't familiar with the cups, there's a yellow dinglething that hangs into the cups--the chciekns are supposed to hit the yellow thing with their beaks and water fills the cup. Yesterday, I left the roosters with 3 full cups when they went into their coops at 6pm, and when I let them out at 6am, they rushed over to a gravity waterer outside, obviously thirsty. The cups were empty.

I'm leaving town for 3 days on Friday! I'll have someone to check on my chickens, but I'm sure this person would prefer NOT to have to deal with a disgusting waterer every day.

Also made the pvc feeder. Food doesn't seem to be moving down as it should. Ugh!!!!!

Also finished setting up my irrigation in my garden. 2 beds flood, and 2 beds get no water. The hose timer worked for 5 minutes and then somehow filled with water and died.

Everything I touched this weekend FAILED!!!!
I put in cup waterers for my quail and that was their only source of water. I did take a couple in each enclosure and dip their beaks into the cups so they knew the water came from there. They are way dumber than chickens and they picked it up that day. They do have to work at it more to get the water since they have to actively press down on the yellow thingy. I think they may be harder to learn to use than the nipple waterers. Not sure which I like better.

Ew, pretty sure that's puncture vine. Also known as goat's head, devil's thorn. Horrid plant. Responsible for many flat tires when I was a kid. Unless someone comes along to correct me, PULL IT.
We always called them bull heads since they look like the horns of a bull coming straight out to poke you in the foot! Bad stuff. But the real bad thing is the large red ants that live in the valley actually cultivate the stuff and will pile the **** things all around their colony entrance to keep predators away! If you have any of those large red ants around it will be impossible to get rid of that plant until you get rid of the ants because they will seek out more and bring it back with them.

And to think I was actually encouraging it's growth! I was looking for something low-growing to fill in the spaces between my flagstone, and figured since it was already there and happy, why not? SOOOO glad I asked!

I have those evil little seeds everywhere in my yard, I just didn't know where they were coming from. My yard must have been infested at one point. My poor dog steps on one or two every day.

So, anyone have any thoughts on something low-growing that would look nice between flagstone? In the NW, we'd have used moss. Obviously NOT a very good choice for Tucson.
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It is sunny all day there? Part shade? Do the chickens have access? I like the idea of mint (love chocolate mint!) but it does try to take over the world so know that going into it.

The high is only 84 today. They'll be fine and it's a nice break from the heat, this should help with their acclimation to the heat. I've started a compost pile in the run and leave fruits and stuff in it for them to dig out. Then in the morning I drench it and it in the heat of the day they are laying on it cooling off. The straw hold water and moisture inside their shoots too I believe.


My chickens love the compost bins! They come out looking like kids that have been eating chocolate ice cream because their faces are all black.

How do cortunix quail handle our heat? I know they sound different than chickens, but are they louder? Is there a reason they are raised on wire? I'm thinking of trying some out, but only for meat at first. At this time, I'm not interested in a sustainable quail flock. Can I raise them on the ground for 8 weeks or so?
They seem to handle it as well as chickens but being small can dehydrate much faster so water sources are imperative. They are not louder, the roosters' crow is not as loud as the chickens' "I laid an egg" song. The rest of their sounds are like soft cricket noises. The Japanese first kept them as song birds before people realized their eggs and meat are good to eat. I imagine if you just wanted quiet sounds keeping only hens would be pleasant. If you only want them for meat you don't even need them for 8 weeks, you could process them sooner if you wanted since they eat like pigs and grow like weeds. Yes you can raise them on the ground. Wire is popular because it keeps them cleaner. My DH and I had quite a discussion on which to do. We went with wire because we got the cages and chicks in a trade. They would do fine on the ground as long as you had a good way to clean since their droppings can have an ammonia odor.

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I went out a few days ago to the local PetSmart and bought a 40# bag of black oil sunflower seeds. Ultimately, I want to grow as much feed as possible. In the Tucson climate, sunflowers grow like weeds anyway. To make sure the seeds would sprout, I put a handful in a bowl and covered them with a wet paper towel. After 3 days, SUCCESS! they are all sprouted. Since my growing area is not yet prepared, I just removed the paper towel and put the bowl in the brooder. OMG! You would think these chicks had never seen food before! Now I have to prepare some ground (where the chickens can't get to 'em) and get with the program!
Great idea to grow your own! How big do BOSS plants get? I may have room for some someplace in the garden.
 
Finally got some pics of the quail cages. Right now they are all in the two larger grow-out/production cages on the right. They are 4' long 2' deep and 12" high. Even with all that space they are all usually right next to each other, they like being with their flock mates. There are four 2' long cages on the left for breeding quartets eventually. So the cages together are 16 feet long and are suspended on the 2x4s behind the cages. The tops of the cages are flat but the shade cloth is attached to the lattice higher than the back of the cages so it slopes down so the black cloth is not sitting directly on top of the cages giving them more ventilation. The shade cloth is held down in front over the front edge of the cages with bungee cords and clamps since the wind will make a sail out of it otherwise.


The quail have baskets to use when they want a break from standing or laying on wire, as well as terracotta saucers for water to wade in to stay cool, and boxes with sand for dust bathing.

The tops of the cage doors are shoulder high for me so I don't have to stoop to reach in to service the cages. It also keeps the quail at a height that my terriers can't terrorize the bird at. Right now I'm using shavings or saw dust under the cages but I think I'll switch to sand when I run out. Sand will keep the droppings dryer so they won't build up ammonia.

The cup waterers work well for quail, but I did show them that the water was there. By the end of the first day they were all using them. Our hard water does leave calcium deposits on the waterers so I will eventually have to switch them out and soak them in vinegar to dissolve it.
I also give the quail veggies and fruit with a high water content when it's hot. The hen on the left is pecking at a piece of cucumber in this photo that they've eaten most of. The nice thing about jumbo browns is they are so easy to feather sex as early as three weeks old! The boy in the middle has a pale rust color chest while the girls on either side of him have a speckled chest. With the whites you have to wait until when the boys crow or the girls lay an egg. You can also vent sex them but they have to be fully mature for that so are probably already crowing or laying eggs.
 
Seems folks here are pretty knowledgeable about anything bees, goats, quails, plants..... here is a new topic, meat rabbits. Anybody had any experiences? I want to have some in my backyard but really worried about the heat in the valley. And with a regular 9-6 job, I can't attend to them during the day, (so any chores says more then once a day would be impracticable for me. for example, give them iced bottle of water twice a day...) ... Any thoughts?
 
We raised them in the Texas heat under oak trees in their hutches. Changes the water in the morning and give them clean bedding and you're good. The hutches were off the ground for ease of care and it let the rabbits have wind all around them. Shade is super important.

On a side note, my wife is gonna kill me because your post just made me remember how easy it was and how much chicken we eat around here. I make a great Rabbit and sausage gumbo too. I also have a great shady part of the yard. Uh oh.
 
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Finally the chicks are using the nipples. Can't wait til they're big enough to go without the protection of the dishwasher rack. Lol. The older ones seem to be warming up to them.
 
Seems folks here are pretty knowledgeable about anything bees, goats, quails, plants..... here is a new topic, meat rabbits. Anybody had any experiences? I want to have some in my backyard but really worried about the heat in the valley. And with a regular 9-6 job, I can't attend to them during the day, (so any chores says more then once a day would be impracticable for me. for example, give them iced bottle of water twice a day...) ... Any thoughts?

I'll be interested in what people come up with since I've thought about meat rabbits too. I used to raise some NZWs at my last house here in Tempe but they were in my garage that had a solar powered swamp cooler on it. I don't know what to do for rabbits if you have to be away all day and it's 115 plus degrees.
 
I'll be interested in what people come up with since I've thought about meat rabbits too.  I used to raise some NZWs at my last house here in Tempe but they were in my garage that had a solar powered swamp cooler on it. I don't know what to do for rabbits if you have to be away all day and it's 115 plus degrees.
Did you have to use your garage? I'm considering starting up a little system. I think they'll be fine with lots of shade and water but if someone has had problems then I have to reconsider. No room anywhere but outside.
 

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