Arizona Chickens

Hannah'sCoop :

Hi. I'm the sister who lost 3 hens two nights ago at NE of Broadway & Rosmont in Tucson. Thanks to my sister for her concern and inquiry, especially because we are so new to this...after reading all of the responses, a coyote seems the most likely culprit. I'll just fill in the information a little for those who live nearby. I heard screeching around 3:30am; it was short-lived, I was fast asleep, and no one else in the house even heard it. Being asleep, I must have dismissed it as a dream. At 5am I heard screeching again and this time had my wits about me and rushed out with a flash light - it was very dark still. Three chickens were gone - feathers from 2 of them ina big pile. One of the hens was running back and forth, totally freaked out, with fresh drops of blood on her comb and beak. The last adult chicken was quietly on the roost, huddled in the corner. I think the predator started with the two young hens who are assumed to have been about 6 ft. up in a smallish brushy tree and got the adult BR last, who was on the coop roost. There were piles of feathers in the ally behind the house of both of the juveniles, about 150 ft. away from one another and 50 ft. away from the coop. There were only a few feathers from the adult BR, so I assume I scared the predator (coyote?) and he travelled further this time to eat.

Yes, this neighborhood is right on the Arcadia wash (we are not directly on it). I have seen coyotes before, including once mid-morning there was one with a limp wandering around oblivious to people; I was at the park and saw him cut right down our ally...that was months ago. I also heard an owl hooting in a eucalyptus in the ally about a month ago - all night long - very close to where one of the feather piles was. Hawks have perched on my wall during the day and stared at the chickens until me and/or our black lab scared it away.

I feel horrible about this - I know predators come with the territory, but I regret not being more dilligent about locking the hens up at night. My little kids are also upset. On the bright side, it has opened up an opportunity to help them deal with loss and the more difficult aspects of the natural world.

Thanks for all the posts. Very helpful. We are now working on a plan to secure present and future hens better and setting up a live trap (just in case the culprit is smaller than a coyote).

I'm so sorry too - and am glad you've got a new plan.

I just lost some hens tonight due to a coyote - so sad. This is my first time to lose chickens to a predator since I started with chickens again 2 1/2 years ago. My chickens have a very secure night-time coop, but free-range for a few hours every afternoon. I hadn't shut the coop up yet and I heard my dogs barking, but didn't think much of it. I then heard a loud squawk and ran outside to see a coyote with one of my hens in its mouth. I ran towards it shaking my hands and yelling - it looked towards me and then dropped the hen, ran and jumped right over my 6 1/2 ft wall.

I was shocked to find all the damage. I knew dogs will kill for sport, but I thought coyotes killed for food. This coyote didn't eat any of of my chickens and didn't even get to take any of my hens with him, but had attacked at least 5 of them. He was killing them while my dogs were outside barking at him. I found 2 dead hens inside the run, another injured on the floor of the coop, a 4th one laying in the middle of the yard, barely moving, and I had to hunt for the 5th - the one that ran from the coyote when I chased it off. I found her hiding, all scrunched up in a dark corner of the yard and I think she's okay.

Definite losses: 1 Easter Egger (2 1/2 years old) and 1 Partridge Plymouth Rock (5 months old)
Probable losses (injured and not moving, but still able to lay upright): 1 Easter Easter Egger and 1 of my 2 Black Copper Marans (5 months old)

I think my 2 1/2 year old Black Star he attacked is okay and I'm so glad - she's my lap chicken​
 
Constance, grapes should be planted asap. If you can find potted ones, they will have a head start. Bare root should already be in the ground since its getting hot already, but maybe put a little shade cloth over them for a while. They like it hot, well drained soil, even crappy sandy gravely soil is ok if it has some nutrients in it. They like airflow, so not too close to a wall, maybe a couple of feet away, or else keep an eye out for mildew. If you have air conditioning, and the condensation line drips off the roof, that is a great place to plant them. Free water when its hot and humid out. If you plant potted grapes, the larger sized ones should give you grapes next year. Bare root, not for a couple of years. For fruit production you need to prune them alot. Best to read up on it to understand which canes produce. *just my opinion, again, your results may vary*
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ArizonaDesertChicks, I'm so sorry about your hens.
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I haven't known coyotes to kill more than they can eat. I wonder if you had a whole pack of them and your dogs chased some off? I'm hoping your injured ones pull through. I have 3 that were mauled in different attacks. In our first dog attack "Fluffy's Mom" had her back mostly ripped off and a leg broke, but she still get around. Doesn't lay, but she's a survivor! That makes her special.
I'm very sorry for your loss.
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Rotten coyotes!!! I'm sorry for all the losses recently. The ones that got ours were mid day and literally next to my house, but I forgot to mention that one of them was just 20 minutes after the chicken was let out. I had to wonder if the coyote was on a stake out of our house. They may get more, and I am aware of that. Now we only let the chickens in the fenced in yard and with one of our dogs that likes to guard them and has no interest in eating them. She does bark at them when they walk on her, but that's it. We had the chickens in the back yard one day and a coyote was slamming himself into the fence wanting to get to them.
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I couldn't believe it! The dog saw him and chased him away, but I know that is not a 100% guarantee that they will stay safe. What if one of the kids lets the dog in one day without thinking about it? Those chickens LOVE free ranging in the back yard. Their coop is at the far edge of the side yard. Now if we open the door, they run to the gate to the back yard. If we are late letting them out, they are all in there pacing by the door wanting out. We will try to protect them as much as possible, but it just isn't a quality life to be cooped up all the time and not get to eat bugs and lizards. There are like NO juicy grubs in the coop! I would rather them have a happy life than a long life.
 
5pinkarrows, that's pretty much my philosophy. I have to hope for the best because I can't protect them when I'm not home, and I DO have to work or the chickens will lose their house. I fret and stress over it every day when they are out and I'm not home. I keep thinking I need to get a guard dog to protect them, but haven't done it yet. One of these days.....
 
ArizonaDesertChicks, that must have been so heartbreaking. It is so strange that it killed like a dog and was so bold too. I'm so glad for you that your lap chicken was spared.
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pimachickens, Hatching a baby!
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constance, I agree with Bob's Henhouse and nurseshelly, plant now! I planted two of my vines in April and one in May, under much less than optimal conditions. It was harder on them though and would have been much easier had they been planted earlier. I would give one additional bit of advice, if you can afford it, get a vine that is taller. You can get them at your local nursery that has them ~4-5' tall. That would really help keep the top productive part of the vine up and away from the chickens. If you have a place where the chickens won't get to them, short vines will be much cheaper and you can grow that taller part of the vine this summer. Also, be careful of vines at Lowe's and HD, sometimes I see varieties for sale that are not recommended for our environment (I saw some Concords the other day that would not do well here at all). Plus, I got my two "Thompson Seedless" grapes from Lowes (on sale) and they ended up being something else (I'm still not sure what they are but we love them). I learned a LOT from some .pdf files I found at either the Maricopa or Pima County Cooperative Extension. For the life of me I can't find them, but when I do I'll post them (fortunately we have Bob's Henhouse!). They had great info about watering, fertilizing, pruning and types of grapes that do well here. They do require some water to get going, especially in the heat of the summer. The interesting thing that I read was that the vines send their roots so deeply into the ground that by about year 5 to 7 here in southern AZ, you no longer have to water them at all. Oh, one more thing, if you're thinking of growing grapes but can't get to it this year, contact one of us that has grapes this fall and get cuttings! They are easy to root and grow.

One of the most interesting things I learned form Cooperative Extension was that, until the late '50s or early '60s, the majority of our nation's table grapes were grown in Pinal county! I guess that speaks to the favorability of our climate to grapes.

Bob's Henhouse, So these grapes that were sold to us as green Thompson Seedless mature with fruits being principally red, with some green. Have you ever seen TS grapes like that? I think they are some other variety, but we always wondered if they didn't mature that way because of our environment. Any thoughts? Anyone?

cluckin_crazy, Especially if it's still steaming!
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I'm so sorry too - and am glad you've got a new plan.

I just lost some hens tonight due to a coyote - so sad. This is my first time to lose chickens to a predator since I started with chickens again 2 1/2 years ago. My chickens have a very secure night-time coop, but free-range for a few hours every afternoon. I hadn't shut the coop up yet and I heard my dogs barking, but didn't think much of it. I then heard a loud squawk and ran outside to see a coyote with one of my hens in its mouth. I ran towards it shaking my hands and yelling - it looked towards me and then dropped the hen, ran and jumped right over my 6 1/2 ft wall.

I was shocked to find all the damage. I knew dogs will kill for sport, but I thought coyotes killed for food. This coyote didn't eat any of of my chickens and didn't even get to take any of my hens with him, but had attacked at least 5 of them. He was killing them while my dogs were outside barking at him. I found 2 dead hens inside the run, another injured on the floor of the coop, a 4th one laying in the middle of the yard, barely moving, and I had to hunt for the 5th - the one that ran from the coyote when I chased it off. I found her hiding, all scrunched up in a dark corner of the yard and I think she's okay.

Definite losses: 1 Easter Egger (2 1/2 years old) and 1 Partridge Plymouth Rock (5 months old)
Probable losses (injured and not moving, but still able to lay upright): 1 Easter Easter Egger and 1 of my 2 Black Copper Marans (5 months old)

I think my 2 1/2 year old Black Star he attacked is okay and I'm so glad - she's my lap chicken

Oh no! That's terrible!
I always thought they just took what they could eat.
Over a block wall too?
Before all this I was kind of counting on our block wall to protect the girls.
 

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