Arizona Chickens

[Sonoran Silkies]

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How could that be? If you kept documentation of vaccinating them, wouldn't that be enough to keep them from killing the chickens? I mean, its kind of counter-productive if the point is to not keep having it spread...why DISCOURAGE owners from vaccinating???

Exotic Newcastle is not the same; it is EXTREMELY virulent; but the antibodies produced by the vaccine for non-exotic Newcastle will trigger a positive result on a test for exposure to exotic newcastle. In 2002-3 nearly 4 millions birds were depopulated in California, Nevada, Arizona and Texas. Not only birds from flocks that tested positive, but also all birds within a 1 mile radius of a positive test. Whether or not eradication is the best means for controlling END is up for debate, but for now, that IS the way the US does it. And Exotic Newcastle is a federal, not a state issue.

 

[turkeybreeder]

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just finish talking with the state vet department of agriculture
usda certified and he told me there has not been any reports
of any poultry having marek's in the state of arizona
also their is no reports of any having new castle
and he said they do research everyday on animals in their labs
the biggest concern for the state is microplasma
and avian influenza

They answered the phone for you?! Wow, that is almost a first.

i talk with doctor ruiz
this morning

 

[LarryPQ]

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if they determine that an animals has an infectious disease
they will put down the whole flock that would be a big loss
in the east valley they charge 85 dollars to do a necropsy

Cost of a necropsy varies by who does it, and the extent. A few years ago I paid my vet $99 for a necropsy. I later took birds to the state vet (at their expense) and they did a much more thorough necropsy, followed by sending samples to Texas A&M for more thorough testing. All for inconclusive results. Both my vet and I believe my birds were poisoned, the one test that I specifically asked the state to perform, they did not do, and performed a different test--for something where the symptoms did not match at all :rolleyes The state bore the cost because they were concerned that there might be some major epidemic, and wanted to rule it out. Waking up to 15 dead birds that were completely healthy the previous day, with another few dying over the next couple of days (and no symptoms of illness) was not an experience I would ever care to repeat.

Thank you for being our voice of reason, SS.

Again...

My amount of $220 was for a full necropsy done by the USDA testing facility associated with UofA Department of Agriculture, which would include the various tests for different diseases. Full-spectrum may have been the term they used.

 

[turkeybreeder]

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Is it? You are paying for the convienence of getting pre-vaccinated chicks, and since Mareks rarely kills before 14 weeks, you are saving tons of money by getting them vaccinated. A 16-week non-laying pullet costs about $15.

So say you bought 20 unvaccinated chicks, they get Marek's, and you are SUPER lucky and only 2 die before point-of-lay. You could have saved $10, have an uninfected flock, and not have to deal with semi-retarded chickens for the rest of their lives.

In fairness, he DID offer the name of a different hatchery where Marek's vaccination was considerably less expensive (less than 1/5th of the cost). Murray McMurry is one of the more expensive hatcheries (Strombergs is even more expensive). I read his post as "use this hatchery rather than that one," not "don't vaccinate because it's too expensive.

welp hatchery guarantee the chicks for 48 hours from the time they arrive mareks cost 17 cents per bird
with them there prices all ready include shipping compare the prices with other hatcheries
welphatchery.com anyone from the group see their prices so you can see they have
good deals best price for broilers also1.58 if you order 25
if you order 50 it cost 1.41 these prices already include shipping

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Cost of a necropsy varies by who does it, and the extent. A few years ago I paid my vet $99 for a necropsy. I later took birds to the state vet (at their expense) and they did a much more thorough necropsy, followed by sending samples to Texas A&M for more thorough testing. All for inconclusive results. Both my vet and I believe my birds were poisoned, the one test that I specifically asked the state to perform, they did not do, and performed a different test--for something where the symptoms did not match at all :rolleyes The state bore the cost because they were concerned that there might be some major epidemic, and wanted to rule it out. Waking up to 15 dead birds that were completely healthy the previous day, with another few dying over the next couple of days (and no symptoms of illness) was not an experience I would ever care to repeat.

Thank you for being our voice of reason, SS.

Again...

My amount of $220 was for a full necropsy done by the USDA testing facility associated with UofA Department of Agriculture, which would include the various tests for different diseases. Full-spectrum may have been the term they used.

I did realize that the $220 was for a far more detailed necropsy. I honestly never saw the prices until they sent samples to Texas A&M, and I had to sign some paperwork. I don't recall the pricing--it was several years ago, and I didn't end up paying for any of it, but I'm pretty sure it ended up more than $220 per bird.

 

[LarryPQ]

So long as you don't think I am pulling numbers out of my chicken-butt.

 

[nurseshelly]

Was someone looking for a Delaware Rooster? There is one on Phoenix CL right now

 

[Tanichca]

i hate being a school kid with exams and essays due and still having a stupid BYC addiction. i should probably go finish said exams and essays, bye folks!

 

[tightwad]

Constance, thanks so much for the vaccination info!

I just kept searching Marek's but didn't think to add Laree's name to it. Worked like a charm. I appreciate all of the other links too.

Now, if I can find a place to purchase the Marek's from since Jeffer's is out I'll be pretty much set.

Erin

 

[squeakyballs]

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Purina Flock Raiser (20%) with free-choice oyster shell grit, and scratch grains (graaaaaains! lol) as a daily treat.

My chickens weren't too keen on Layena either, and it's not a good chick feed, so I'm happy to pay the extra buck a bag for Flock Raiser. Plus it's great for a mixed flock like they advertise. $18.19 for a 50# bag at San Pedro Feed and Hardware in Palominas, but I believe any feed store with the Purina checkerboard logo on their sign "should" stock it.

Ohh! I'll look for that next time! They act like they are starving to death, and will only nit-pick at the Layena. Picky birds! They didn't like the last brand, either. I forget what it was.

TURKEYBREEDER- You are so awesome for actually calling! That is such good information to have!