Auburn Javas?

[Tiegrsi]

Well, about 48 hr after lockdown we have 11 hatched and 2 partially unzipped and still in incubator - will wait another 48 hours before calling it quits on the rest of the eggs given that the first one hatched less than 12 hours after lockdown, thus it will be 4 days after lockdown - unless one of you more experienced folks feel we should give them more time???

Congratulations!! I hope you DO get those trios.

As an aside, I recently got some shipped eggs (Marans), and although they were rested first, the air cells in a few are off kilter. Hopefully they will hatch out fine, as yours did!

 

[henaynei]

well, of the 2 unzipped.....I had to help one - the membrane was very tan and dry, the other died after totally unzipping the large end of the shell by itself...The one I helped I just carefully removed the large end of the shell after moistening all as it had made no progress in over 24 hours....an hour later it had finished hatching but had one foot with curled toes. But 36 hours later it died...
So we have 11 live ones.
Had to clean out the brooder due to overwhelming stench....probably from the dead chick and the leavings from the 11 hatchlings. Still, have 16 eggs unhatched. I candled them and there are several with internal pips and several with good looking red veining... some are both.... so cleaned them off and put back in the incubator - I know they are unlikely for any of them to hatch but will wait until Monday to see. That will be day 25. I know that taking them out, exposing them to the room temp - even though it was Very warm in there as the brooder is in the same room, cleaning them off and putting them back also decreases their hatch potential. But the way I figured it their chance now at possible life is much better than if I gave up on them today and tossed them.

 

[henaynei]

At 2 weeks I've ended up with 10 live chicks - one of the failure to thrive chicks has made it and is beginning to catch up.
Got a gosling for a guard goose and it about 36 hours for intermittent supervised "visits" to get pecking order settled without injuring any chicks. All are cozy now.
This coming week getting some 2-3 wk old silkies for brooders. Will have to do intro thing again.
Still looking for a few more local Auburn chicks to add.

 

[henaynei]

Update:
Have 10 4week old Auburn chicks growing like weeds. Also one Toulouse gosling same age in same brooder. Have 3 silkie chicks about 2 weeks old in another brooder.
the silkies

This was a week ago. They are a lot larger now.
And a lot more feathers

 

[haTHOR]

Been breeding BJs for 17 years. Had some sport auburns pop up last year and working this year to mate those. In WNC. Would like to connect with others as I have notes and questions!

 

[henaynei]

Been breeding BJs for 17 years. Had some sport auburns pop up last year and working this year to mate those. In WNC. Would like to connect with others as I have notes and questions!

If you wish, I can send you the Auburn Standard. It was developed by Lyel Behl and some other AJ breeders who were working to resurrect the breed.
I also live in WNC. Lost Province area.

 

[haTHOR]

If you wish, I can send you the Auburn Standard. It was developed by Lyel Behl and some other AJ breeders who were working to resurrect the breed.
I also live in WNC. Lost Province area.

I do have it! Just pm’d you after seeing this thread, so it’s great to see you were the person who replied here. My first time back on the forums in several years but have hatched and raised hundreds of Black Javas. Let’s talk more!

 

[haTHOR]

I have commented on the auburn java before and from what I can see; there is great variability in the birds. If auburn was a true variety, then all the males would look very much similar and all the females would do the same. I have seen this variability in working with the genes responsible for spangling and the buff varieties.

If you look at Soaring Chicks juvenile birds you will see what I am talking about, There are all kinds of gene combinations that are segregating in the offspring.

I have looked at the birds on line form Behl Farm- the female in the picture does not look spangled; she appears to have incomplete single lacing. Birds that do not have all the genes they need for spangling will have spangles on the breast not the cup shaped false spangles that appear on the bird in the picture. The females in the pen appear to have spangling.

Everybody can do what they want and think what they want to think but I very skeptical of this auburn variety. I just do not want fanciers to be believe they have a variety when it appears that there is not such a thing.

Would like to talk more. Been breeding as a BJ conservator for many years but have questions about what I’m seeing in some sports that popped up last year. (First time ever).

Obviously it’s very important to me to manage this correctly as I am steward to one of very few Java breeding flocks (fewer than 50 total flocks since they are officially critically endangered again).

Your input would be greatly appreciated, if you have time and energy to chat.

 

[haTHOR]

I have eggs on the way from the same breeder as my birds from last year. Her birds trace back to the Garfield Farm Birds, and I am hoping for more birds that carry the Auburn gene. If you check out the Java page on my website I do have a picture of a Black Java chick that carries the Auburn gene. The imature feathers grow in black with brown tips on the flight feathers. By the time they mature they are fully black. I did have a few roos exhibit a goldish hue on their wing feathers once mature. I am fairly sure these were the Auburn gene birds, but I seperated them from the flock just in case.

I am hoping to purchase some eggs from Lyle's Auburn birds this year and add them to my birds that carry the auburn gene. This is a ery exciting project!

Ellen

This is EXACTLY what my sport birds looked like at hatch. Black body, red head. Never had any birds look like that before! And have grown out as shown here (no pics of pullets but their pattern is around the neck and looks like spangling or penciling.)

Unlike some others here the black seems to be pushed out to the ends the feather.

This will be the first hatch where I’ll be able to breed together the six I hatched out of fifty chicks last year. Really looking forward to seeing what we get.