August Hatch-A-Long!

You must not have seen my updated posts, the chick died while I was chipping the shell away. I don't think it would have lived, even if I had helped sooner. I have deleted those posts so it won't be so confusing for the people getting up this morning trying to catch up on this thread.

On the positive side, I am pretty sure I have fixed the problem. First is to stop letting people convince me to change something I feel is right. Since I am fairly new to hatching I am easily convinced I am doing something wrong even though I have spent a ridiculous number of hours researching it. Practical experience is always more helpful. Most people have very good information but there are also some dangerous ones that just want to throw their 2 cents in. I can not always tell the difference until it is too late. Pretending to be knowledgeable on a topic can cause harm. Remember people listen to what you say. Expeience is what people are looking for when they ask questions. I PM'd the bad advice people and a few times they have even admitted to not ever having owned chickens.(but they really want some) To those of you that have chickens and years of experience, thank you for sharing. Is there a place where the number of years experience could be added, maybe next to the name? That would help in deciding weather or not to use someone's advice. I'm sure I am not the only one that has been affected by bad advice givers.

Again thank you to those who are not talking out of your hiney. I appreciate it very much.
I have said the same before...should be listed how much experience in hatching on a hatch thread

BUT remember ...Some ppl have had chickens a long time... and have NOT hatched before ever...

Some new ppl do put in their 2 cents and other new ppl assume they have had experience Makes me cringe when isee one and I usually will put my own 2 cents in to give another opinion.
Be nice if someone with no real knowledged would say" im new to this too but...... my GUESS is ..."
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DO take replies with a grain of salt.
They are to give you ideas not to tell you you HAVE to do this thing.... whatever it is
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Or go by more than ONE persons reply on here is better
Don't go on ONE reply unless its someone with a lot of knowledge ...Sumi is one with a lot of knowledge
A few of us are like me ...have maybe 50-60 hatches under our belts. so we have gone thru a lot of things you run into during hatch ...butthere is awalys a new thing you havent seen too..

In fact PM Sumi if you arent sure Im sure she would be happy to respond.

You have to decide YOUSELF though in the end waht you want to try and when in the end .
.And if you decide to... and it goes wrong.... its a learning experience a bad one but you wont do it again.
Evreryone will have some mistakes you make and kick yourselffor fele lyoukilled achiks over it... ...some real bad experiences but if you are going t o hatch chicks it happens,

So If it sounds right do it
If you are leery DONT....
AND ALWAYS. a less drastic approach is the best approach. Always can do something later..... but once done its done its too late.
Better t o wait a bit and see how it goes than rush in and help a chick out.
Some die waiting to hatch true but much better than to kill a healthy chick by trying to assist too early

I dont think im the only one whos been on here a while who would tell you that either
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If you help too early it kills them . PERIOD
Open an egg and they have just a pip no more ...they have to take hours sometimes..... to ajust their lungs to air ..let the egg veins dry up, let the yolk absorb A lot goes on .
To jump in too early until all that is done and it ALL happens during hatch..... they wont live.
Why a very cautious approach is MUCH better
You FEEL like helping as they seem to struggle and they DO but its part of the hatch.process
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If they have pipped and are getting air .......to be in the shell wont kill them.

The membrane may dry but they wont die from it Will need to be taken out maybe but not die... Some weakness or problem internally might kill them maybe they cant breath immature lungs so die in hatch ...but just to wait wont unless you wait 3 days and they have been pipped all that time in one spot or some long time where they are running out of food and water internally
Some die in hatch .that's a given They would not have lived anyway .I find about 1/4 or more assisted have something wrong. anddie later or are crippled .....its natures way to give them a hard way to come into the world prove they are strong enough to make it In the world
SAD but true Some are shrink wrapped or in wrong position maybe shel l too small Those will live with assist but you cant know until you try
Just dont try too early . Biggest clue ....if there is blood AT ALL...its TOO early Leave it be for hours... 1./2 a day
Always sad to loose one but inevitable.
Dont beat yourself up. and dont totally listen to others

This reply is NOT just for you but to ALL new hatchers
 
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I am so sorry. i wish i had been up last night when you posted your urgent help needed post...at the least i could have offered moral support since i had to do a full assist the first time last weekend myself -scary stuff. I was so exhausted from all the hatching i just crashed.

I dont see an update, did any of the assisted chicks survive?

Sending a virtual HUG!

You must not have seen my updated posts, the chick died while I was chipping the shell away. I don't think it would have lived, even if I had helped sooner. I have deleted those posts so it won't be so confusing for the people getting up this morning trying to catch up on this thread.

On the positive side, I am pretty sure I have fixed the problem. First is to stop letting people convince me to change something I feel is right. Since I am fairly new to hatching I am easily convinced I am doing something wrong even though I have spent a ridiculous number of hours researching it. Practical experience is always more helpful. Most people have very good information but there are also some dangerous ones that just want to throw their 2 cents in. I can not always tell the difference until it is too late. Pretending to be knowledgeable on a topic can cause harm. Remember people listen to what you say. Expeience is what people are looking for when they ask questions. I PM'd the bad advice people and a few times they have even admitted to not ever having owned chickens.(but they really want some) To those of you that have chickens and years of experience, thank you for sharing. Is there a place where the number of years experience could be added, maybe next to the name? That would help in deciding weather or not to use someone's advice. I'm sure I am not the only one that has been affected by bad advice givers.

Again thank you to those who are not talking out of your hiney. I appreciate it very much.
 
I started out with a dozen Marans eggs, 14 showgirls, and 8 tolbunt polish. We had a record-breaking wind storm here that blew out the power for 9 hours, the incubator temp was at 82 degrees for much of that time. I had 6 Marans, 4 showgirls and 5 tolbunts make it to lockdown yesterday - pretty happy with that! We'll see what hatches.
 
You must not have seen my updated posts, the chick died while I was chipping the shell away. I don't think it would have lived, even if I had helped sooner. I have deleted those posts so it won't be so confusing for the people getting up this morning trying to catch up on this thread. On the positive side, I am pretty sure I have fixed the problem. First is to stop letting people convince me to change something I feel is right. Since I am fairly new to hatching I am easily convinced I am doing something wrong even though I have spent a ridiculous number of hours researching it. Practical experience is always more helpful. Most people have very good information but there are also some dangerous ones that just want to throw their 2 cents in. I can not always tell the difference until it is too late. Pretending to be knowledgeable on a topic can cause harm. Remember people listen to what you say. Expeience is what people are looking for when they ask questions. I PM'd the bad advice people and a few times they have even admitted to not ever having owned chickens.(but they really want some) To those of you that have chicke ns and years of experience, thank you for sharing. Is there a place where the number of years experience could be added, maybe next to the name? That would help in deciding weather or not to use someone's advice. I'm sure I am not the only one that has been affected by bad advice givers. Again thank you to those who are not talking out of your hiney. I appreciate it very much.
I'm sorry. :hugs
 
You must not have seen my updated posts, the chick died while I was chipping the shell away. I don't think it would have lived, even if I had helped sooner. I have deleted those posts so it won't be so confusing for the people getting up this morning trying to catch up on this thread. On the positive side, I am pretty sure I have fixed the problem. First is to stop letting people convince me to change something I feel is right. Since I am fairly new to hatching I am easily convinced I am doing something wrong even though I have spent a ridiculous number of hours researching it. Practical experience is always more helpful. Most people have very good information but there are also some dangerous ones that just want to throw their 2 cents in. I can not always tell the difference until it is too late. Pretending to be knowledgeable on a topic can cause harm. Remember people listen to what you say. Expeience is what people are looking for when they ask questions. I PM'd the bad advice people and a few times they have even admitted to not ever having owned chickens.(but they really want some) To those of you that have chicke ns and years of experience, thank you for sharing. Is there a place where the number of years experience could be added, maybe next to the name? That would help in deciding weather or not to use someone's advice. I'm sure I am not the only one that has been affected by bad advice givers. Again thank you to those who are not talking out of your hiney. I appreciate it very much.
This is why I try to let more experienced people jump in - and if they don't I try to preface anything I say with the word "inexperienced" and "I have found in my reading" etc. or try to send people to links of the same info that I read so they can use their own judgement. Of course, there aren't hard fast rules either - if you ask the same question to 2 very experienced hatchers you may still get two totally different opinions. I am sorry you felt mislead and it lead to what you feel were fatal decisions. Just know that you did your best and we are all always learning from our experiences. Hopefully more experience means more successful hatches - but even then there are no guarantees. I would call my first hatch a success with about a 65% hatch rate. But now I have shipped eggs in there and have a bad feeling.... Its day 20 and I don't "feel" anything yet, there is no wiggling, etc. But my fingers are crossed and I wait...
 
Well Monday was a big problem day.On Day 3. First thing in the morning I went into the shop and noticed the heat was approx. 1 degree too low and heater was full on and temp didn't move for 1/2 hr. Using small baseboard heater. Heater problem. Next went and bought new heater. Left Controller plugged in but disconnected the 2 live wires for heater. While changing the heater I touched the ground wire to something a shorted out the heating capabilities of the controller(everything else works, egg turner,temp and humidity sensors and DEFINATELY the alarms..lol)electrician friend tried soldering the circuit board back to proper, didn't work. figured I'd hardwire heater for always on and adjust vents. After making about 6 more vent holes(up to 2") heat was still getting up to about 104. disconnected heater and tried adding larger bulb(150W) to interior light fixture. about 4 degrees too cold. added a secong light fixture and a 60w bulb. heat is fine but depending on room heat, need to make constant adjustments to vent. with 2 lightbulbs going my humidity is way down at 25%. Can't get it any higher no matter what.Ordered new controller and hope to have it here by Friday, If not 96 eggs are probably ruined if they not already.Temp ranges from 87 to 104 while trying to figure it out.
 
Talk about assist

.Had a little guy the other day had to assist out... looked like star gazing when he was out.
Rigged up a paper bridge for him to be under so the head couldn't go up and back. A few hours later he was OK ...but then wouldn't eat...Next day all bones now I was sure he was gong to die still wouldn't take a thing from an eyedropper. or off my hand ..
That evening I held him as i thought it he dies he will feel safe anyway not alone but...good news is he started to peck food and ate a lot
Now hes walking around like a big guy.Put his brother back in to encourage eating and he is pretty happy still small..not sure how he will continue to do but do so far so good.
A WIN this time,!!
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Not always
A few weeks ago had another assist...came out fine Things went well >He seemed fine healthy but died a week or 10 days later in someone elses care but I do think it was an internal problem.
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Assisted one last year
Lived and did well but was always very small
.When fall came found her dead one morning about 5 months old in a small coop with a heating lamp Must have been her heart. Never seemed sick just too small.


Had another assisted a year ago spring ...had a crippled leg and hip .couldnt fix it as the hip was mispositioned She died at about 6 months old
A second with a crippled leg that I didnt catch early enough to fix but then it got worse where she couldnt stand at all .Born last Fed. died at 3 months old
All assisted
So frankly I cringe to have an assist and they come pretty often.Maybe one every other hatch for me . Positive is I have had a lot of wins too that lived and were fine and normal


Some hatchers never assist b/c of the potential for problems cruel in a way but Isee why Most do as there are some chicks that are perfect so why let them die?..
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Ill get off my soapbox now.!!
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Well Monday was a big problem day.On Day 3. First thing in the morning I went into the shop and noticed the heat was approx. 1 degree too low and heater was full on and temp didn't move for 1/2 hr. Using small baseboard heater. Heater problem. Next went and bought new heater. Left Controller plugged in but disconnected the 2 live wires for heater. While changing the heater I touched the ground wire to something a shorted out the heating capabilities of the controller(everything else works, egg turner,temp and humidity sensors and DEFINATELY the alarms..lol)electrician friend tried soldering the circuit board back to proper, didn't work. figured I'd hardwire heater for always on and adjust vents. After making about 6 more vent holes(up to 2") heat was still getting up to about 104. disconnected heater and tried adding larger bulb(150W) to interior light fixture. about 4 degrees too cold. added a secong light fixture and a 60w bulb. heat is fine but depending on room heat, need to make constant adjustments to vent. with 2 lightbulbs going my humidity is way down at 25%. Can't get it any higher no matter what.Ordered new controller and hope to have it here by Friday, If not 96 eggs are probably ruined if they not already.Temp ranges from 87 to 104 while trying to figure it out.
Still will get some probably
Ive had 104 for short times and did and low the same sort periods. What day are you on?. Nothing more frustrating though.Wait all that time things right and then ...this...
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DeannaA: I'm so sorry your baby didn't make it. It's hard when they don't.
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BYC member ChirpingCricket is someone I go to with all of my questions. She's from here in Alabama also and has been a savior for several of my chickens. Adults, chicks, and hatching! She's out of town right now, but will be back toward the middle of the month. She will welcome questions from us all.
 

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