Australia - Six states..and that funny little island.

[Anniebee]

You've done all that you can. Fingers crossed she has a full belly and a restful night.
My roo that was staggering went down , I've given him multi vitamins and he is scoffing his food down and he managed to get up today. He was nearly dead when the other roo beat him up and I managed to save him then , but this time I think the goat may have knocked the ramp leading up to the nest box and it hit him on the head.

That's a good site Annie, I've referenced it many times, certainly one to bookmark.

You sure have a lot going on down there Fancy .... and it's so good that you rescued to good health, your roo. Dutchy looks great, with a good looking tuck to his front legs.

Your daughter must be getting to be A1 show jumping rider, if not there already. Does she aim at perhaps an Olympics, one day ? ( I am not joking in asking that ).

And pleased to know you escaped much of the troubles in Tassie recently. Those flooding rivers up north were terrible.

As mentioned in a 'reputation' to you .... that site ( darwinvets ) is very good - covers so many items, and explains things clearly. I too have bookmarked that. Something I absolutely MUST do is delete dozens of no longer used bookmarks ... waaay too many there now.

Cheers ........

 

[Fancychooklady]

You sure have a lot going on down there Fancy .... and it's so good that you rescued to good health, your roo.    Dutchy looks great, with a good looking tuck to his front legs.

Your daughter must be getting to be A1 show jumping rider, if not there already.   Does she aim at perhaps an Olympics, one day ?  ( I am not joking in asking that ).

And pleased to know you escaped much of the troubles  in Tassie recently.   Those flooding rivers up north were terrible.   

As mentioned in a 'reputation' to you .... that site ( darwinvets ) is very good - covers so many items, and explains things clearly.   I too have bookmarked that.    Something I absolutely MUST do is delete dozens of no longer used bookmarks ... waaay too many there now.    

Cheers ........  

Thanks Annie. Yes she is moving up through the ranks, but it is such a long climb to Olympic selection. She is a state squad member but the next step is to be selected as a national squad member , then World Cup . Chris chug is 56 and he is currently on the short list. Of course the athlete must remain fit, but it's often keeping the horse fit that is the problem.
For now it is a distant dream, but dreams can come true.

 

[LuckysMum]

Hi everyone. I was just reading about chicken keeping on the Darwin vet site. It has on there that you must not feed your chickens kitchen food scraps. They were saying its against the law you can get up to 2 years jail. I thought everyone fed the chickens kitchen scraps.
Am I wrong? I only feed fresh fruit and vege off cuts and bread nothing mouldy.
Thanks

 

[sjturner79]

Hi everyone. I was just reading about chicken keeping on the Darwin vet site.  It has on there that you must not feed your chickens kitchen food scraps. They were saying its against the law you can get up to 2 years jail. I thought everyone fed the chickens kitchen scraps.
Am I wrong? I only feed fresh fruit and vege off cuts and bread nothing mouldy. 
Thanks

That may be a local law, and likely only applies to chickens to be killed for meat. Through out history chickens have lived on kitchen waste and what they can forage.
There is absolutely no good reason not to let them have kitchen scraps although some foods such as potato and citrus are bad for the in high quantity

 

[LuckysMum]

Mine don't get potato citrus or meat scraps. I make sure their seed is dry we've never had any problems. (Touch wood) I just looked at WA Agric dept and they say it is common to feed kitchen and it is fine.

 

[sjturner79]

Mine don't get potato citrus or meat scraps. I make sure their seed is dry we've never had any problems. (Touch wood) I just looked at WA Agric dept and they say it is common to feed kitchen and it is fine. 

Ours get everything. They are the only animal that can correctly digest fats and oils.

 

[sjturner79]

5 new bubbies in the brooder!

 

[Anniebee]

Hi everyone. I was just reading about chicken keeping on the Darwin vet site. It has on there that you must not feed your chickens kitchen food scraps. They were saying its against the law you can get up to 2 years jail. I thought everyone fed the chickens kitchen scraps.
Am I wrong? I only feed fresh fruit and vege off cuts and bread nothing mouldy.
Thanks

LuckysMum .... this subject has been addressed here on several occasions, and I know others will either agree or disagree with it.

Thing is, it is apparently illegal to feed 'swill' .... to animals and birds. Not just to pigs who always were fed 'swill' years back .... but perhaps now embraces all kinds of production animals and birds. Meat animals / birds in particular ( ?? ) .... and chickens, with eggs for sale to the public.

That is how I read the situation. As far as I am concerned, backyard chickens who give their owners lovely eggs ( when they are laying that is !! ) .... perhaps should not be bound by the anti-swill rules and regulations. Swill is categorised as any scraps that are edible for an animal, that has been cooked, grated, chopped up raw, .... whatever .... i.e. kitchen scraps or goodies that were not eaten from plates etc. etc..

Swill used to consist of a lot of milk from dairy farmers, in the past, mixed with heaven knows what for pigs in particular to grub into.

I am sure others here can answer your question better than I can, and the following link will explain it all. Seems it is Queensland that is most strict about it .

http://kb.rspca.org.au/What-is-swil...o-pigs-poultry-or-other-farm-animals_559.html

Mostly aimed at the pig industry, but also includes poultry.

I find it fascinating that anything that has 'touched' a meat product, is banned. e.g. ( from the above site ) ....

• "any food cooked with, or that has been in contact with, meat, meat products or meat by-products"

How on earth anyone is expected to observe that is beyond me - especially for pet chickens that produce lovely eggs for family and friends, and are not sold on a commercial basis. ?????? And there is a comment about fish meal and feather meal ?? Gotta go out there tomorrow and tell my girls to quit picking out the odd feather and munching on it !! ( through their moults, they have an occasional pick at their own feathers )

,,,,,,,, LOL.


I know my girls have been given kitchen scraps that have been in touch with meat !!! .... But - rules is rules ... and best to find out if those rules apply in West Australia as well - - - and how far it is expected to go ?

I ain't enquiring about Victorian rules, at this point in time

Cheers ........

 

[Anniebee]

Thanks Annie. Yes she is moving up through the ranks, but it is such a long climb to Olympic selection. She is a state squad member but the next step is to be selected as a national squad member , then World Cup . Chris chug is 56 and he is currently on the short list. Of course the athlete must remain fit, but it's often keeping the horse fit that is the problem.
For now it is a distant dream, but dreams can come true.

Fancy ... you must be so proud a Mum to have your daughter already in the state squad. That is fantastic. And yes, it must be a huge climb to the top - but ... dreams, as you said, can come true.

Looked up Chris Chugg ... fascinating stories he had to tell. He mostly rides his own horses, here and elsewhere. I hope he does well and gets into the Olympic team.

Keeping your own horse in tip-top condition is probably more of a challenge than the rider being in good athletic condition ... after all, the human can avoid trouble ( horses seem to have a penchant for getting themselves into trouble

) ... and a rider can be far more careful about their exercise and fitness routines. Then there is the travel, interstate, overseas which has it's own peculiar problems. It is a long hard row to hoe. And not all riders, ride their own horses - as well you know. They are 'employed' ( don't know the correct expression for that ) to ride ( because of their reputation as a rider ) a candidates horse - be it here or overseas, for very high level competitions.

I could go on for pages probably, but this is " Backyard Chickens " - - - not " Cosseted and Well Kept Horses."

Good luck for all your daughter does, rides in, and competes for.

Cheers ......

 

[sjturner79]

LuckysMum .... this subject has been addressed here on several occasions, and I know others will either agree or disagree with it. 

Thing is, it is apparently illegal to feed 'swill' .... to animals and birds.   Not just to pigs who always were fed 'swill' years back .... but perhaps now embraces all kinds of production animals and birds.   Meat animals / birds in particular ( ?? ) .... and  chickens, with eggs for sale to the public.  

That is how I read the situation.   As far as I am concerned, backyard chickens who give their owners lovely eggs ( when they are laying that is  !! ) ....  perhaps should not be bound by the anti-swill rules and regulations.  Swill is categorised as any scraps that are edible for an animal, that has been cooked, grated, chopped up raw, .... whatever .... i.e. kitchen scraps or goodies that were not eaten from plates etc. etc..  

Swill used to consist of a lot of milk from dairy farmers, in the past, mixed with heaven knows what for pigs in particular to grub into.    

I am sure others here can answer your question better than I can, and the following link will explain it all.   Seems it is Queensland that is most strict about it .

 http://kb.rspca.org.au/What-is-swil...o-pigs-poultry-or-other-farm-animals_559.html 

Mostly aimed at the pig industry, but also includes poultry.   

I find it fascinating that anything that has 'touched' a meat product, is banned.   e.g. ( from the above site ) .... 

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• "any food cooked with, or that has been in contact with, meat, meat products or meat by-products"

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How on earth anyone is expected to observe that is beyond me - especially for pet chickens that produce lovely eggs for family and friends, and are not sold on a commercial basis. ??????  And there is a comment about fish meal and feather meal ??  Gotta go out there tomorrow and tell my girls to quit picking out the odd feather and munching on it !!  ( through their moults, they have an occasional pick at their own feathers )     ,,,,,,,, LOL. 


I know my girls  have been given kitchen scraps that have been in touch with meat !!! .... But - rules is rules ... and best to find out if those rules apply in West Australia as well -  - - and how far it is expected to go ?     

I ain't enquiring about Victorian rules, at this point in time 

Cheers ........ 

The basis behind it in pigs isto prevent things like mad cow desease and salmonella, I don't know what idiot thought of making it applicable to poultry but thier digestive system doesn't breed or pass on the disease in the same way a pig or a ruminating animal does. If the anti swill law was actually applied in full the barrostock layer pellets and several other brands would be illegal- see the warning not for use with swine or ruminating animals.