Australia - Six states..and that funny little island.

[SilkieChickStar]

Well @Fancychooklady she has me stumped. We have had lots of cuddles and there are no creepy crawlies on her. She got wormed about a month ago.

I feel a bit silly and confused, she seems to be moulting?? When I was looking through her feathers there are a lot of pin feathers there. The other chicken (Pekin) that I got at the same time is also moulting.

Would moulting cause her to be out of sorts?? She's still pooping and eating a fair amount

The Faverolles breathing seems fine, but her tail is down and she's keeping very quiet.

 

[Coram]

Well @Fancychooklady she has me stumped. We have had lots of cuddles and there are no creepy crawlies on her. She got wormed about a month ago.

I feel a bit silly and confused, she seems to be moulting?? When I was looking through her feathers there are a lot of pin feathers there. The other chicken (Pekin) that I got at the same time is also moulting.

Would moulting cause her to be out of sorts?? She's still pooping and eating a fair amount

The Faverolles breathing seems fine, but her tail is down and she's keeping very quiet.

A heavy moult can cause a range of odd symptoms. A particularly heavy moult caused a respiratory infection in my Light Sussex, it resolved without intervention. If cocci is not suspected, worming is up to date and the birds eyes are bright it MAY be a response to heavy moult. FANCYCHOOKLADY is the one to listen to though. If pooh is good, breathing is good and there's no mucus you could be in the clear.

 

[Henriettasmum]

That's great. Not all vets are equal, my equine vet knows nothing of birds. Avian vets specialise in all things avian and are therefore more up to date . I personally wouldn't feed the eggs back to the chooks.

I was chatting to hubby about the vet and he reminded me that when I asked about boiling the eggs and feeding them to the chooks, he hesitated and didn't sound too enthusiastic, so he may not have known the answer to that one. Anyway, best to be safe than sorry. All eggs have been disposed of. We generally only eat the eggs from the Australorps and crosses which have had no symptoms so I've only treated them with the antibiotic water for 3 days, so how long would you recommend I continue to dispose of the eggs, before being able to have bacon and (our) eggs for brekky? Looks as though I will be buying eggs from the supermarket for a while when I finish the current supply.

 

[Anniebee]

I have seen the side effects, overdose limits and overdose effects of Panadol, and have been deeply suprized about its availability as a supermarket drug and the number of things doctors recommend it for.
It is far more dangerous than many of the resticted drugs, and potentially worse than many of the illegal drugs .

Fancy ..... Interesting that some doctors hand out a pamphlet on possible side effects of drugs. But not all do. In EVERY drug dispensed ( via prescription ) there is supposed to be just such a pamphlet in the box - on the side effects, how to use etc. .... but often many of those pamphlets are missing ..... simply not there - which is an overlook by the makers, distributors - and not at all an acceptable situation.

As for Bactrim ... ( in certain % dosage ) can contain Trimethropim. But these days ( here in Vic ) .... Trimethroprim is prescribed solely - by itself without the sulfanimides; it is a different and separate chemical component. It stands by itself. As you said - it does not do well for URI .... and one doctor I saw, prescribed it for bronchitis / possible lung damage / ward off pneumonia etc., and I asked very quickly that it be changed to doxicycline, as Trimethropim - ( or the old fashioned Bactrim ) did diddly squat for URI. He did as I asked.

Gave me Vibromycin, which is now replaced by Doxicycline ( same thing I think ). Cannot take erythromycin ( makes me ultra ill ) or penicillin ( allergic ) which is limiting !! Clarithromycin ain't too good for me either ... but can take self injected Lincocin intra-muscularly ( IM ) ... which I have to do if I have an anaerobic infection say, in the mouth - because of dentist inefficiency and terror at their perception that I might pop my clogs permanently in their dentistry chair if they remove a tooth - for gawds sake . !!! ( another story altogether - and too complicated to go into ).

They look after themselves, so I have to look after myself with self injected stuff. As I already inject bi-daily, sub-cutaneously, a blood thinner, I am very familiar with self injections. Had a very laid back doctor some years back - ( she moved far away, sadly ) who gave me a prescription for the Flu injection - ( before I was 65 ) ... and said I could inject myself IM, if I liked !!! .... Told my then Vet about it ( in general ongoing conversation about this and that ) and he freaked out ..... HIS flu injection was given by his wife, and hers - by him. ....

But you get used to it. I would never attempt an IV though.

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sjturner79 and Fancy ......... As for Panadol .... that is sooo abused and misused by so many. Member of my own family happily announced some years back, that if the pain ( headache / whatever ) is intense, she will take 3 or 4 of them at a time, several times a day.

I freaked out.

Have no idea if she listened to me or not. I did mention ( strongly ) just what it can do to the liver, let alone other parts of the body. And yet - sold from supermarket shelves. ??? It really is quite ridiculous. There have been some mutterings government wise, about stopping that - but I will believe it when I see it.

We must look after ourselves as best we can, along with doctors / chemists advice. ..... Is all we can do ( apart from some exercise and good healthy food / living ).

Fancy ... I am so sorry to hear that you have a condition that has induced VRE in you. That is a worry. My chemist told me recently, that there are many older ( almost ancient ??? ) anti-biotics that can handle all kinds of things ( not saying VRE necessarily ) ... but that doctors tend to go with the newer 'you beaut' a/b's that are now available. Have you ever spoken to your chemist about all that ? I know it is very specific and incredibly difficult to handle ... but I did find this - ( although I am sure you have Googled until you are ... well, googled out ) .... :

Several investigational agents are currently in phase II or III trials for VRE infection. This category includes daptomycin (an acidic lipopeptide), oritavancin (LY-333328; a glycopeptide), and tigilcycline (GAR-936; a novel analogue of minocycline). Finally, strategies to suppress or eradicate the VRE intestinal reservoir have been reported for the combination of oral doxycyline plus bacitracin and oral ramoplanin (a novel glycolipodepsipeptide). If successful, a likely application of such an approach is the reduction of VRE infection during high risk periods in high risk patient groups such as the post-chemotherapy neutropenic nadir or early post-solid abdominal organ transplantation. ​

I have not the slightest idea if this helps at all - it comes from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11827558 and is quite complicated.

Do hope you can glean some insight from this.


Cheers ....

 

[Anniebee]

Well @Fancychooklady she has me stumped. We have had lots of cuddles and there are no creepy crawlies on her. She got wormed about a month ago.

I feel a bit silly and confused, she seems to be moulting?? When I was looking through her feathers there are a lot of pin feathers there. The other chicken (Pekin) that I got at the same time is also moulting.

Would moulting cause her to be out of sorts?? She's still pooping and eating a fair amount

The Faverolles breathing seems fine, but her tail is down and she's keeping very quiet.

Oh yes - moulting can take a huge toll on a chicken. They stop laying to deal with the impact of moulting. Doing both would darn near kill them.

I feel so very sorry for them - what they go through - yearly. Moulting, or laying eggs ( giving birth to a huge thing from a small aperture 5 or 6 days out of 7 ) .... and there is no one way that every chicken moults. Some are hard ( very swift ) ... some are in spurts ( bit by bit ) and some take months to get rid of all of their feathers and grow new ones. And some decide to do a second moult !!!

Those with loads of pin feathers, before they erupt into feathering --- try to find comfortable positions to sit - so's the sharp spikes of the pins don't stick into them. They've stuck into me a few times, when I have picked up one of my chickens ... and they can hurt.

Whichever way you cut it, it makes them feel less than good. But if they eat, drink and woopsie as normal, that's a good thing ...just something to keep an eye on.

Cheers ........

 

[Anniebee]

I have seen the side effects, overdose limits and overdose effects of Panadol, and have been deeply suprized about its availability as a supermarket drug and the number of things doctors recommend it for.
It is far more dangerous than many of the resticted drugs, and potentially worse than many of the illegal drugs .

Guess you are aware of their soporific effects. That alone has to make one wonder, apart from the awful side effects of the drug itself ( on the physical body ).

My husband, when unable to sleep, gets up and takes 2 Panadol - and the effects are quite amazing. Don't know if that is psychological or not. Possibly both - psych, and physiological. Asked a doctor about it - he said " it dulls the pain receptors in the brain, and at the same time, dulls off alertness - so possibly promotes sleep " ??

Hubby can buy a pack of 100 paracetamol at the chemist for approx. $3 > $5 per pack ????????? I don't use them, but do use Panadeine ( paracetamol and codeine ) when I absolutely have to for arthritic pain. I am very careful though. Have been prescribed Panadeine Forte ( 500 mg Paracetamol / Panadol + 30 mgs Codeine, prescription only ) for arthritic pain. .

I only use those when absolutely necessary. Elmores' Oil is superb for rubbing on inflamed joint parts .... but doesn't last more than a few hours of relief.

And from here on ..... I will get back to chickens. !!!

Cheers all .......

 

[Fancychooklady]

Hi Annie , my VRE doesn't really have any impact on me when I am in good health. However when I was being tube fed and undergoing chemo my immune system was quite understandably at its lowest and that is when your treatment options aren't good after the surgeon places the tube in the wrong place and you develop double pneumonia. The prof had his work cut out for him finding the correct cocktail of drugs to get me through, it's just not as straight forward as regular patient care. VRE patients are isolated from anyone that has a compromised immune system and that can have its advantages Private Room! Hehe.
Try arnica for the arthritis.

 

[satay]

Interesting reading all about the over use of Panadol. Not something i had thought about before as I am a don't take pills that often kinda girl but i guess like anything it can be miss used.

I learnt a not so nice lesson yesterday morning. I was cleaning out the little millies in the brooder so i thought i would pop them out on the grass for a little bit while i cleaned the brooder. As i was about a third of the way through cleaning it a neighbour rang. She is having major problems with her dad as he is unwell so I was on the phone for just over an hour . As i hung up i thought omg the babies.it was blowing a gale with westerly winds down the hill yesterday and cold. I raced out and they didn't look good. Unfortunately 1 lost one not long after getting them back under the heat lamp. Lesson learnt the hard way. Don't put the babies out for just a few minutes to have grass on a cold day and get distracted. The other 2 are looking much better this morning thankfully.

 

[Fancychooklady]

Interesting reading all about the over use of Panadol. Not something i had thought about before as I am a don't take pills that often kinda girl but i guess like anything it can be miss used.

I learnt a not so nice lesson yesterday morning. I was cleaning out the little millies in the brooder so i thought i would pop them out on the grass for a little bit while i cleaned the brooder. As i was about a third of the way through cleaning it a neighbour rang. She is having major problems with her dad as he is unwell so I was on the phone for just over an hour . As i hung up i thought omg the babies.it was blowing a gale with westerly winds down the hill yesterday and cold. I raced out and they didn't look good. Unfortunately 1 lost one not long after getting them back under the heat lamp. Lesson learnt the hard way. Don't put the babies out for just a few minutes to have grass on a cold day and get distracted. The other 2 are looking much better this morning thankfully.

Oh that's a hard lesson to learn, sorry. It is however very easy to get distracted.

 

[satay]

Oh that's a hard lesson to learn, sorry. It is however very easy to get distracted.

Thanks. It sure is much easier than you think as i have learnt.