Australorps breed Thread


Hi Aveca,
I'm not aware of the Cook Orp. being a particularly poor layer in Australia. I think it may have been more the case that they were poor compared with some of the really good laying breeds which became available eg. Langshans. There was much competition to produce top laying strains at the time and there's no doubt in my mind that various breeders added bits of their own to the mix. As I've said, I think ther's more Leghorn in there than is often credited. But re the Langshan influence, I found the above pics, reproduced in Ray Connor's book, worth a close look. Firstly, with the cocks, you can see why some early commentators suggested that in creating the Australorp, we had, in conformation at least, reproduced the Cook Orp.I think you'll agree there's no major difference. Apart from the 'American' cock. Am I wrong in thinking someone's spraypainted the top half of a Sussex black and stuck it on top of an Australorp? If this is what we sent you to work with, I marvel at the skill of American breeders in producing what you have! I doubt I've seen a worse Aussie back! The girls tell us a bit more. The bottom left 1937 pic shows a coarse bird that, once again appears to be two different breeds stuck together. A good match for ugliness for 'your' cock! The 1940 model is a far more refined bird, but there is strong Langshan imput here. The upright comb and V-shaped tail are strong Langshan features. Our Aussie Standard calls for the comb to follow the outline of the neck. This is starting to happen with the 1943 girl in the middle pic. She's a nice girl who looks similar to, and better than many of our modern birds. The 1950 'American' girl is far too pretty to be with that ugly bugger! Her tail is a bit more 'Langshany' than the Australian bird, but you could breed some nice birds from her.
You posted a while ago that some Australians had contacted you trying to track down some of the Utility blood we sold you to get some back. Well, there are purportedly only 5 strains of pure Utilities left here. Finally managed to track down a single pullet from the strain of Charles Judson, who was involved with the development of the Australorp from very early on. See Ray's book p. 20. To me she looks better than most of our Utility 'Aussies'.She oughta, she cost me more at 16 weeks than purebred POL show quality pullets! Wanted her to improve laying in my birds and to tighten up the thigh feather. Somehow slipped my fading mind that feathering comes more from the male side. Now I've got to chase up a roo. Another pen!!! Will post pics soon.
Cheers Geoff from Aus
 
it was a comment in either the standard bred orpington , or the orpington, the early breeders were complaining about the poor egg laying abilities of the blk orp..but in same book mentioned they were pretty good winter layers.. so kind of a contradiction. but it stuck with me , that that was why they were looking to improve the egg numbers.created the utility orpington.

I will post the page for you..Im on tablet, not a lot of capabilities to copy pages on it..will get it later so you can see for yourself.

Geoff we would love to see the judson bird..hope you can post some pics for us.wouldnt it help to use some of her male offspring to tighten up the feather?
 
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A couple of the younger Aussie grow outs



This one is a little bigger then I would like. Still from my small trio I call Australorps


Just some 5 to 6 month oles
 
Like the fronts on your young girls, Bill. Lovely curve! Ray Conner reckons that in a good Aussie the breast shouldn't extend beyond the line of the beak. Yours seem spot on for this. Be interested to see how they develop.
Cheers Geoff from Aus
 
geoff, you should try to attend a show where ray connors is either showing , or judging..what a thrill that would be..he is the australorp king..i know australia is a big place ,would be so worth the trip, hes in hi

s 90 s now.. but ray is so approachable so says everyone who knows him..hes so generous and helpful to anyone who wants to talk to him..give him a shout out from us here in usa..i have some birds that i dont show at all online out back that i am concetrationg on so keeping focus on that, but a

lways love my aussies..yes the great bird of curves.from beak to tail, and underneath.
i will always keep a few kicking around.
 
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i will get the hang of this tablet someday..the pics never land where they are supposed to.

the snow pic is for my freind Galanie..he has heated hut , but decided to play outside..went in long enough to warm up the wattles, and right back out all day long..his back feathers are all tamped down from being snowed upon..the other younger one is this years.
 
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Like the fronts on your young girls, Bill. Lovely curve! Ray Conner reckons that in a good Aussie the breast shouldn't extend beyond the line of the beak. Yours seem spot on for this. Be interested to see how they develop.
Cheers Geoff from Aus

Geoff here in the states Australorps are a work in progress. Nice to have an expert opinion from where the breed originated to better gauge how I am doing. These girls are around 6 month old. So much more can change before I decide if they are the ones I want to keep and use for next season. However, IF they can even come close to their mother's family side, I should have some nice ones to play with.
Nice to have you back Geoff. This thread is much more enjoyable when you are posting..
 
Aveca, thanks for the advice re my Utility pullet being bred back via cockeral offspring. As soon as I read your post I thought, "I know that!" As I said I had a bit of a blind spot re this bird. I went to the auction to help a mate who was selling some birds and to have a look. I had no intention of buying birds, but here was the Utility strain that I've been chasing for years. I had to have some. Only managed to get this one pullet. I was bidding against wealthier people than me. Some of them only wanted them as layers. Tragic! But, it's evidence of the boom in purebred chooks over here, which is great for the likes of me. I've taken pics of the bird for you, but a 20 week old Aussie aint a thing of joy. She's so streamlined and tight-feathered compared with my big girls! See next post.
Cheers to my friends in America, especially Aveca, Bill and Ron. I really appreciate your friendship. Geoff from Aus
 
i know , in the past several people tried to contact aussie breeders in us to find their utilty birds..we would love to see your birds, its an inspiration to us..of all of the chickens in the world, i think the auxtralorp is one of the most attractive.not the most colorful. but prettiest shape and appeal..cant wait to see your birds! someday when i get things going a little better i will show you some pics, i was kind of suprised at how things turned out in a project..needs some work, but pretty suprising..i think you will be suprised..but its a ways off yet.i used to search out every little bit about ray connor..wish they would do a documentary about him.they did that short film which was good .every show i go to australorps are my first stop on the tour.smile all day long after seeing them
 
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