B.Y.C. Dorking Club!

[pysankigirl]

okay, so I am at work and cant get the chicken calculator to open here.


But what would happen if you combined red dorkings with another bird that had the ig diluter gene over the wildtype gene? I was thinking about cream legbars for the ig dilution gene, but then I would have to breed out the yellow legs, crest, and barring...oh, and the blue eggs...LOL

 

[OSUman]

I dont think that Cream Legbars actually have the ig diluter gene, they do have the barring gene which you would have to breed out. I personally wouldn't use them because their types are so different then the Reds, it would be better using a Silver Grey. If you cross a Red Cock bird over Silver Grey hens you would get all Red hens from the cross.

okay, so I am at work and cant get the chicken calculator to open here.


But what would happen if you combined red dorkings with another bird that had the ig diluter gene over the wildtype gene? I was thinking about cream legbars for the ig dilution gene, but then I would have to breed out the yellow legs, crest, and barring...oh, and the blue eggs...LOL

 

[pysankigirl]

I dont think that Cream Legbars actually have the ig diluter gene, they do have the barring gene which you would have to breed out. I personally wouldn't use them because their types are so different then the Reds, it would be better using a Silver Grey. If you cross a Red Cock bird over Silver Grey hens you would get all Red hens from the cross.

Well, that's exactly what I am going to have, soon. a couple of Red Males and some Silver Grey Females. and I understand that crossing the two you will get a diluted male from the cross, but he will be S/s and when these crosses are bred, the offspring will be like the BBS marans thing where you will get 25% (s/s) Red, 50% (S/s) gold, 25% (SS) silver males? is this correct?

Ki4got was saying that we needed to breed a "colored" that was self-replicating. I was just trying to figure out where the heck we would get a diluting gene if it didn't already exist in the breed. and I remember her saying that the ones she got from Sandhill weren't all that great.

But perhaps it does exist already. I am just impatient. I LOVE the male duckwing/colored dorking concept and dont want to wait.
(insert childish tantrum here...LOLOL) so it would be great if we could just order them from some unknown to me breeder.

 

[Yellow House Farm]

In here there is supposed to be shame and frivolity associated with those who have more than two breeds.

I wouldn't say shame and frivolity. Still, in the interest of honesty, I would just say that different things lead to different results. Each breed and/or variety is an A to Z of infrastructure. One can only breed well the number of breeds for which one has the infrastructure.

I think that most of us go through a period where there are a lot of breeds. That changes, especially with large fowl, if one decides to do serious SOP breeding.


I'd be very hesitant about out-crossing Dorkings to anything non-Dorking. I can honestly say that I wouldn't go near a strain of Dorkings that had been outcrossed with non-Dorkings.

 

[Rockashelle]

(insert childish tantrum here...LOLOL) 

 

[ki4got]

Well, that's exactly what I am going to have, soon. a couple of Red Males and some Silver Grey Females. and I understand that crossing the two you will get a diluted male from the cross, but he will be S/s and when these crosses are bred, the offspring will be like the BBS marans thing where you will get 25% (s/s) Red, 50% (S/s) gold, 25% (SS) silver males? is this correct?

Ki4got was saying that we needed to breed a "colored" that was self-replicating. I was just trying to figure out where the heck we would get a diluting gene if it didn't already exist in the breed. and I remember her saying that the ones she got from Sandhill weren't all that great.

But perhaps it does exist already. I am just impatient. I LOVE the male duckwing/colored dorking concept and dont want to wait.
(insert childish tantrum here...LOLOL) so it would be great if we could just order them from some unknown to me breeder.

yes, you're correct on the red/silver breeding. and if you use the S/s+ roo, he'll produce pure silver or red hens, and depending on the color of hen he's bred to, pure cockerels of HER color plus more heterozygous cockerels. it's fortunate that most of the mutations i'm seeing in the dorkings are dominant. so you don't have to worry about recessive mutations popping up later down the road.

and actually i was hasty to judge the sandhill birds... the ones i kept turned out awesome, they just didn't grow like the sg's i was used to. they grew all leg first then went the different directions. the sg's seem to build all body then put the leg where it should be.

the dominant dilute is present in the sandhill birds... whether it's supposed to be there or not, i don't know. but that's what i'm basing my colored line on and we'll go from there to see what develops.

this pullet is from my first breeding, of a dilute hen with one of my red males...

 

[ki4got]

Quote: i agree whole heartedly... i'd avoid crosses, unless you're looking for faster growing meat for the freezer (my EE cross works well for that, but i sell all of them as EE's, not dorkings)
and for the infrastructure, i'll have my breeding pens (eventually, someday?) set up so that i can rotate different groups as needed, depending what i'm wanting to produce at that time.

 

[SoCal Dorkings]

Hello and a belated Happy New Year to everyone. I have been lurking the past few months just waiting for my shipped chicks from Dick Horstman, and my chicks out of eggs from Rudy Troxel to mature so I have something to talk about

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Now the questions start again!

I have 3 distinctly different color types on my "Red" Dorkings. I call them Blond, Flame, and Mahogany Reds, but I am wondering if the "blonds" aren't some sort of Colored cross coming back through. The hens are of two distinctly different types. Some have almost dusky black heads instead of the "normal" red hen coloring. I'll try to get better/more pictures tomorrow... This group pictured all came for Horstman chicks I received mid-late April 2012. The 3 "Blond" Roos are also quite a bit bulkier over all than the "flame" and "mahogany", which are also big bulky birds, just a shade less monstrous

BTW- I only have 2 boys from Rudy's line. They tend more towards a deeper/darker "flame" and a less deep/dark (but no less beautiful) "mahogany".

Sorry for the complete lack of proper terminology

 

[ki4got]

Hello and a belated Happy New Year to everyone. I have been lurking the past few months just waiting for my shipped chicks from Dick Horstman, and my chicks out of eggs from Rudy Troxel to mature so I have something to talk about

...

Now the questions start again!

I have 3 distinctly different color types on my "Red" Dorkings. I call them Blond, Flame, and Mahogany Reds, but I am wondering if the "blonds" aren't some sort of Colored cross coming back through. The hens are of two distinctly different types. Some have almost dusky black heads instead of the "normal" red hen coloring. I'll try to get better/more pictures tomorrow... This group pictured all came for Horstman chicks I received mid-late April 2012. The 3 "Blond" Roos are also quite a bit bulkier over all than the "flame" and "mahogany", which are also big bulky birds, just a shade less monstrous

BTW- I only have 2 boys from Rudy's line. They tend more towards a deeper/darker "flame" and a less deep/dark (but no less beautiful) "mahogany".

Sorry for the complete lack of proper terminology

are your blonde girls anything like the pullet i just posted? if so, where'd they come from? i want MORE! LOL
and yes, i think they are from outcrossing with colored dorkings, but can't say for sure.

 

[dalalune]

Karen-Are you calling this a "Red" female? Terminology is still a weakness for me as well.

When you refer to the term "dilute", what exactly is this referring to (phenotypically). (EX.: in rabbits the dilute of a solid black rabbit is a solid blue; I know that this is not how it works with birds, however). Like others here, I struggle with the genetics/terminology and really appreciate your patience with this topic.