B.Y.C. Dorking Club!

[msladyhawke]

So, for you genetics buffs out there, if Msladyhawke wanted to bring in some different strains for genetic diversity, how would she go about doing that? I don't think there are many lines of red Pyle dorkings out there. Could you breed a red Pyle hen to a red dorking rooster or vice versa and then only keep the red Pyle offspring? Or would that set things way back? I love this color pattern and am just curious.

Good question, and one I will eventually need to pose to Mr. Russell. If you find another strain in the future and want to hatch eggs off my pair, PM me.
Michelle

 

[cukooformarans]

 

[msladyhawke]

I don't know much about the red pyle genetics, but talking to craig, he implied going back to red would be the wrong direction to go...

so IMO, the key would be to use what you have and select the best offspring from them to use next year, then set up a 3 or 4 pen rotational line breeding. that will maintain as much diversity as possible within the limited pool for several generations at least. maybe by then you would find more red pyle to incorporate into the rotation.

Well, now he did say to me at some point I might need to breed in a red to keep the vibrancy of the red pyle itself, however to use a red off of the red pyles. I see I already have one.

 

[cukooformarans]

Interesting. So the reds from your pair must carry some recessive genes that other reds wouldn't carry? Am I thinking about that correctly? I have some reds from Dick Horstman with nice type and I was wondering if one of those could be used but it sounds like that may not be the best idea. I wish I understood more about poultry genetics!!

 

[msladyhawke]

Michelle
You read my mind

They are so very beautiful. Do you plan to sell hatching eggs in the future?

Yes I do for those interested in preserving the breed and/or helping me. Mr. Russell did also mention that he'd like to get the color accepted into the standard in the future, but more people with at least 10 acceptable red pyles to exhibit are needed. Also, I think a history of 5 yrs of showing the color I think? I plan to start showing my pair in the spring. I have good fertility started on this pair already. 5 out of 6 eggs I set just hatched, and I have more in for the NYD hatch-a-long.

 

[cukooformarans]

Congratulations, by the way, on your hatch. The chicks are precious. And 5 out of 6 is pretty good odds, especially for this time of year!

 

[msladyhawke]

Interesting. So the reds from your pair must carry some recessive genes that other reds wouldn't carry? Am I thinking about that correctly? I have some reds from Dick Horstman with nice type and I was wondering if one of those could be used but it sounds like that may not be the best idea. I wish I understood more about poultry genetics!!

I believe the reds from my red pyle pair will have less black? That's if I understand correctly what he said. Darn it, I wish he had internet, LOL. He worked a long time to get the red pyle just right, so any moves I make breeding something in, will be under his advisement.

 

[cukooformarans]

We seem to be typing at the same time

 

[ki4got]

ok from what I can tell, red pyle is duckwing base that is heterozygous for dominant white...

so developing a line of dominant white and a line of red, crossing the two should give red pyle more often than not, as long as the dominant white hides no other mutations.

breeding 2 pyles together will give you more pyle, dominant white and red. there are no other mutations, recessive or dominant, involved.

 

[ki4got]

ok from what I can tell, red pyle is duckwing base that is heterozygous for dominant white...

so developing a line of dominant white and a line of red, crossing the two should give red pyle more often than not, as long as the dominant white hides no other mutations.

breeding 2 pyles together will give you more pyle, dominant white and red. there are no other mutations, recessive or dominant, involved.

yes, i'm quoting myself... LOL rather than editing.

it should stand to reason, that breeding a normal red to a pyle, you should get 50/50...

craig is a great guy, but I wonder how firm his grasp in the genetics is, since he told me that he finally got good pyles by putting the reds and whites and pyles all in one pen last year...