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I though it was for sure that the mom was dead...
.....if not i agree with the above.
I though it was for sure that the mom was dead...
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Well said.
Well said.
Wow. After spending the last 45 min reading all of these posts I have to say. You are insane.
And I'm sure I will recieve bashing for it, but all of you who will do the bashing, if you really think about it, you will agree that deer should have remained in the wild where she belonged.
I am an animal person, and love them too, but you have to realize what you did was wrong from the get-go and you're not going to be "rewarded" by having a tame pet deer.
First mistake was taking it. Second was NOT returning it immediatley! The mother was most likely there looking for it. You say u did it due to being compasionate for the animal etc. Do you know what it's like to lose a mother? or for a mother to lose a child? Probably the two most painful things in the world. And that's EXACTLY what you/your father did to this fawn. You have NO IDEA if the mom was around or not, and I would liek to think that if she had been hit nearby your father would have seen her and realized this was probably her fawn. But he DIDNT see her laying dead somewhere so guess what? Mostl likely you took her baby from her! Yes the fawn was not safe where she was, but all he needed to do was move her off the road gosh! As far as keeping her, you're very lucky the vet you called didnt turn you in because he should have! What your doing IS ILLEGAL in your state, and the others who have said no place is going to take her because she's a WILD deer, not from a farm! Do you really think you're going to be able to hide her from your neighbors? And you basically have signed her death certificate anyway by making her tame so really calling DNR is probably your BEST option. Along with the fact that your a teenager and already willingly and knowingly breaking the law. I realize you think you're right, but you need to realize the immaturity and selfishness of your decisions and just because you think its right doesnt mean its OK. Laws are in place for a reason. Do you think it's ok for someone who runs over a pedestrain because they're flyign through a stop light trying to get his family member to the hospital to get away with it? No, it's not! And it seems right to him, and many of us at the time, but at the same time, he killed someone because he's breaking the law for his own personal gain. I know it's a dramatic comparison but really you need to get the point. And frankly, you're parents should NOT be enabling you. This deer is not a pet dog that you can feed and walk and play with. And really....you want to "fix" a buck? Do you realize how insane that statement alone sounds? You need to call the proper authoritys and let them do what they deem neccesary. Maybe you can request she not be killed and maybe taken to a zoo or something, but chances are doubtful. And she only has you to thank when they come and shoot her.
Sorry I know it seems harsh, but in all honesty you have the mentality of a teen who is only thinking of "cool a pet deer!" and if you really were thinking of this deers welfare you would have changed things weeks ago.
If it was laying in the middle of the road calling for its momma ..THAT is NOT normal behavior for a fawn ..
People.. seriously.. dont make comparison to a human life etc.. Thats way over the top. Beeing passionate for a cause is one thing but that post is a bit tightly wrapped.
They did what they thought it was right. If the mother was dead or not..Its to late to chastise her or her dad for taking the fawn. Deer babies have been raised by humans for a long long time.. Most did good ..some didnt.. but I rather pick up a baby of the road that let it get run over and/or starve to death. Yes.. it might not be the ideal situation. They doing the best they can. They are doing a great job.
I would.. as I am sure alot of others on this board, would have done the same thing .And I would not regret one second of it.
As to legality of it..He dad picked up the fawn ,She didnt.
He did what he thought was right..maybe itwasnt right but what is done is done. And not knowing if the mom was dead or not. No one knows. She might have been calling her.She might have been laying in a ditch somewhere dead.It doesnt matter now anyway.
For all we know he could have prevented a very bad traffic accident .People swerve all the time for things on the road. He could have moved the fawn to the side but she could have ended up back onto the road 5 minutes later still looking for her mom.
reread her OP and read all of the following post made by her.She is asking , not saying she will castrate the deer.. who ,by the way is FEMALE.
I will stop here because otherwise this will get locked soon.
And I'm sure I will recieve bashing for it, but all of you who will do the bashing, if you really think about it, you will agree that deer should have remained in the wild where she belonged.
I am an animal person, and love them too, but you have to realize what you did was wrong from the get-go and you're not going to be "rewarded" by having a tame pet deer.
First mistake was taking it. Second was NOT returning it immediatley! The mother was most likely there looking for it. You say u did it due to being compasionate for the animal etc. Do you know what it's like to lose a mother? or for a mother to lose a child? Probably the two most painful things in the world. And that's EXACTLY what you/your father did to this fawn. You have NO IDEA if the mom was around or not, and I would liek to think that if she had been hit nearby your father would have seen her and realized this was probably her fawn. But he DIDNT see her laying dead somewhere so guess what? Mostl likely you took her baby from her! Yes the fawn was not safe where she was, but all he needed to do was move her off the road gosh! As far as keeping her, you're very lucky the vet you called didnt turn you in because he should have! What your doing IS ILLEGAL in your state, and the others who have said no place is going to take her because she's a WILD deer, not from a farm! Do you really think you're going to be able to hide her from your neighbors? And you basically have signed her death certificate anyway by making her tame so really calling DNR is probably your BEST option. Along with the fact that your a teenager and already willingly and knowingly breaking the law. I realize you think you're right, but you need to realize the immaturity and selfishness of your decisions and just because you think its right doesnt mean its OK. Laws are in place for a reason. Do you think it's ok for someone who runs over a pedestrain because they're flyign through a stop light trying to get his family member to the hospital to get away with it? No, it's not! And it seems right to him, and many of us at the time, but at the same time, he killed someone because he's breaking the law for his own personal gain. I know it's a dramatic comparison but really you need to get the point. And frankly, you're parents should NOT be enabling you. This deer is not a pet dog that you can feed and walk and play with. And really....you want to "fix" a buck? Do you realize how insane that statement alone sounds? You need to call the proper authoritys and let them do what they deem neccesary. Maybe you can request she not be killed and maybe taken to a zoo or something, but chances are doubtful. And she only has you to thank when they come and shoot her.
Sorry I know it seems harsh, but in all honesty you have the mentality of a teen who is only thinking of "cool a pet deer!" and if you really were thinking of this deers welfare you would have changed things weeks ago.
If it was laying in the middle of the road calling for its momma ..THAT is NOT normal behavior for a fawn ..
People.. seriously.. dont make comparison to a human life etc.. Thats way over the top. Beeing passionate for a cause is one thing but that post is a bit tightly wrapped.
They did what they thought it was right. If the mother was dead or not..Its to late to chastise her or her dad for taking the fawn. Deer babies have been raised by humans for a long long time.. Most did good ..some didnt.. but I rather pick up a baby of the road that let it get run over and/or starve to death. Yes.. it might not be the ideal situation. They doing the best they can. They are doing a great job.
I would.. as I am sure alot of others on this board, would have done the same thing .And I would not regret one second of it.
As to legality of it..He dad picked up the fawn ,She didnt.
He did what he thought was right..maybe itwasnt right but what is done is done. And not knowing if the mom was dead or not. No one knows. She might have been calling her.She might have been laying in a ditch somewhere dead.It doesnt matter now anyway.
For all we know he could have prevented a very bad traffic accident .People swerve all the time for things on the road. He could have moved the fawn to the side but she could have ended up back onto the road 5 minutes later still looking for her mom.
reread her OP and read all of the following post made by her.She is asking , not saying she will castrate the deer.. who ,by the way is FEMALE.
I will stop here because otherwise this will get locked soon.
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...hence the quotes around 'horn bud'...
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That's pretty much what I said...
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I should clarify what I mean by 'stink' or saying that the doe I pulled from the fence 'reeked'.. See, I had to really put my hands on the hind legs of the hamstrung doe in order to free her from the fence, and the natural oil in her coat had a pretty 'gamey' smell to it...
It wasn't like I started going "PHEW!" when I got 10 feet out...so, in a sense, I guess you wouldn't really consider a doe to smell unless you were putting your hands on her..
Incidentally, we're talking about a bottle-fed doeling in this thread, sooooo..... That's what I was getting at..
In other words, I just wanted to convey that a whitetail doe isn't like a doe goat where there's zero smell.. That's all. It was just a heads-up.
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That's good advice, of course..
I have a question, though.. If you move one, shouldn't you maybe come back later to check up on it a few hours, just to be sure its mama really did come back?
Afterall, I've never known a mama to intentionally leave a fawn smack in the middle of the road.. I would think that in that situation, typically, she's been road killed..
...hence the quotes around 'horn bud'...
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That's pretty much what I said...
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I should clarify what I mean by 'stink' or saying that the doe I pulled from the fence 'reeked'.. See, I had to really put my hands on the hind legs of the hamstrung doe in order to free her from the fence, and the natural oil in her coat had a pretty 'gamey' smell to it...
It wasn't like I started going "PHEW!" when I got 10 feet out...so, in a sense, I guess you wouldn't really consider a doe to smell unless you were putting your hands on her..
Incidentally, we're talking about a bottle-fed doeling in this thread, sooooo..... That's what I was getting at..
In other words, I just wanted to convey that a whitetail doe isn't like a doe goat where there's zero smell.. That's all. It was just a heads-up.
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That's good advice, of course..
I have a question, though.. If you move one, shouldn't you maybe come back later to check up on it a few hours, just to be sure its mama really did come back?
Afterall, I've never known a mama to intentionally leave a fawn smack in the middle of the road.. I would think that in that situation, typically, she's been road killed..
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I do not agree with you actually. Mother deer mourn the loss of their fawns, she is probably frantically searching for the fawn. The baby was probably crying for ITS mom because the mother already crossed the road and some big strange thing was coming to pick it up. Just because her dad picked it up doesn't mean that she wont get introuble. She interacts with it and thinks she owns it just touching it is a big enough crime. It was wrong what they did and posting that they have a baby deer on a public board with 35,000 people, is really not smart. Neither is bringing it to the vets, they could have very easily turned them in and someone would be a little short on cash. It is a big crime, and as I said making public is not smart. For all we know any one from any state reading this could call up the Kansas DNR and tell them that someone is illegally housing a baby deer.
I do not agree with you actually. Mother deer mourn the loss of their fawns, she is probably frantically searching for the fawn. The baby was probably crying for ITS mom because the mother already crossed the road and some big strange thing was coming to pick it up. Just because her dad picked it up doesn't mean that she wont get introuble. She interacts with it and thinks she owns it just touching it is a big enough crime. It was wrong what they did and posting that they have a baby deer on a public board with 35,000 people, is really not smart. Neither is bringing it to the vets, they could have very easily turned them in and someone would be a little short on cash. It is a big crime, and as I said making public is not smart. For all we know any one from any state reading this could call up the Kansas DNR and tell them that someone is illegally housing a baby deer.
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I do not agree with you actually. Mother deer mourn the loss of their fawns, she is probably frantically searching for the fawn. The baby was probably crying for ITS mom because the mother already crossed the road and some big strange thing was coming to pick it up. Just because her dad picked it up doesn't mean that she wont get introuble. She interacts with it and thinks she owns it just touching it is a big enough crime. It was wrong what they did and posting that they have a baby deer on a public board with 35,000 people, is really not smart. Neither is bringing it to the vets, they could have very easily turned them in and someone would be a little short on cash. It is a big crime, and as I said making public is not smart. For all we know any one from any state reading this could call up the Kansas DNR and tell them that someone is illegally housing a baby deer.
I agree with you that it may not be a smart thing to do to advertise it on here.. But its done now. The best thing we can do now is , have the people who are rehabbers or are in the know to help her trying to get it so it will fear humans . debating on what is ilegal or not wont help her in this case. She can try to find a vet who can steer her in the right direction or a sanctuary where it can live out its life accordingly.
THE DNR people need a adress.. Kansas is a big state
I do not agree with you actually. Mother deer mourn the loss of their fawns, she is probably frantically searching for the fawn. The baby was probably crying for ITS mom because the mother already crossed the road and some big strange thing was coming to pick it up. Just because her dad picked it up doesn't mean that she wont get introuble. She interacts with it and thinks she owns it just touching it is a big enough crime. It was wrong what they did and posting that they have a baby deer on a public board with 35,000 people, is really not smart. Neither is bringing it to the vets, they could have very easily turned them in and someone would be a little short on cash. It is a big crime, and as I said making public is not smart. For all we know any one from any state reading this could call up the Kansas DNR and tell them that someone is illegally housing a baby deer.
I agree with you that it may not be a smart thing to do to advertise it on here.. But its done now. The best thing we can do now is , have the people who are rehabbers or are in the know to help her trying to get it so it will fear humans . debating on what is ilegal or not wont help her in this case. She can try to find a vet who can steer her in the right direction or a sanctuary where it can live out its life accordingly.
THE DNR people need a adress.. Kansas is a big state
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...hence the quotes around 'horn bud'...
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That's pretty much what I said...
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I should clarify what I mean by 'stink' or saying that the doe I pulled from the fence 'reeked'.. See, I had to really put my hands on the hind legs of the hamstrung doe in order to free her from the fence, and the natural oil in her coat had a pretty 'gamey' smell to it...
It wasn't like I started going "PHEW!" when I got 10 feet out...so, in a sense, I guess you wouldn't really consider a doe to smell unless you were putting your hands on her..
Incidentally, we're talking about a bottle-fed doeling in this thread, sooooo..... That's what I was getting at..
In other words, I just wanted to convey that a whitetail doe isn't like a doe goat where there's zero smell.. That's all. It was just a heads-up.
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That's good advice, of course..
I have a question, though.. If you move one, shouldn't you maybe come back later to check up on it a few hours, just to be sure its mama really did come back?
Afterall, I've never known a mama to intentionally leave a fawn smack in the middle of the road.. I would think that in that situation, typically, she's been road killed..
Sorry, was not coming down on your post. Just trying to clear a few thing up.
I know you understand ,they are not horns, but other do not.
The does stink, you may know this. Does during season, their scent glands are inside their back leggs, and they pee on their inside back leggs over those scents glands. So the Bucks know how to find them.
...hence the quotes around 'horn bud'...
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That's pretty much what I said...
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I should clarify what I mean by 'stink' or saying that the doe I pulled from the fence 'reeked'.. See, I had to really put my hands on the hind legs of the hamstrung doe in order to free her from the fence, and the natural oil in her coat had a pretty 'gamey' smell to it...
It wasn't like I started going "PHEW!" when I got 10 feet out...so, in a sense, I guess you wouldn't really consider a doe to smell unless you were putting your hands on her..
Incidentally, we're talking about a bottle-fed doeling in this thread, sooooo..... That's what I was getting at..
In other words, I just wanted to convey that a whitetail doe isn't like a doe goat where there's zero smell.. That's all. It was just a heads-up.
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That's good advice, of course..
I have a question, though.. If you move one, shouldn't you maybe come back later to check up on it a few hours, just to be sure its mama really did come back?
Afterall, I've never known a mama to intentionally leave a fawn smack in the middle of the road.. I would think that in that situation, typically, she's been road killed..
Sorry, was not coming down on your post. Just trying to clear a few thing up.
I know you understand ,they are not horns, but other do not.
The does stink, you may know this. Does during season, their scent glands are inside their back leggs, and they pee on their inside back leggs over those scents glands. So the Bucks know how to find them.
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If they're anything like goats -- and they are -- if the mother was alive, she was really upset and ran around looking for her fawn for maybe a day...then went right back to browsing.
Given that the thing is several weeks old now, she's definitely not "frantically searching" at this point...distant memory.
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Pure speculation, and not very good speculation at that. A fawn's natural instinct is to remain very still and very quiet, no matter what's coming its way. If a fawn were going to scream at a "big strange thing coming" at it, they would scream at tractors and mowers -- yet they lay right still and get bushhogged to pieces all the time.
As someone else said...a fawn laying in the road, screaming, is seriously abnormal.
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She's a kid... What are they gonna do, lock her up in juvie with the dealers and thieves for bottle feeding a baby deer her dad picked up out of the middle of the road?
Please..
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I probably wouldn't have said anything, but again...she's a kid.
Given how many times she mentioned the probability that the deer would have to be re-homed, I'd say she's got her head on straighter than most kids..
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Yeah, imagine that.. Emzy and her family felt like taking it to the vet was the right thing and, even though doing so could have gotten them in big trouble, they did it anyway.
Clearly, the hallmark of criminal minds.
By the way...you say it's a "big crime"...how big a crime is it, exactly? What's your source?
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Um...and then what? Give them an internet username? Are they gonna go issue warrants to check ISP records and assign a cybercrime task force to track down the identity of these cold-blooded bottlefeeders of orphaned baby deer?
I think some of you guys are going WAAAAAAAAAAAAY overboard with this..
If they're anything like goats -- and they are -- if the mother was alive, she was really upset and ran around looking for her fawn for maybe a day...then went right back to browsing.
Given that the thing is several weeks old now, she's definitely not "frantically searching" at this point...distant memory.
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Pure speculation, and not very good speculation at that. A fawn's natural instinct is to remain very still and very quiet, no matter what's coming its way. If a fawn were going to scream at a "big strange thing coming" at it, they would scream at tractors and mowers -- yet they lay right still and get bushhogged to pieces all the time.
As someone else said...a fawn laying in the road, screaming, is seriously abnormal.
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She's a kid... What are they gonna do, lock her up in juvie with the dealers and thieves for bottle feeding a baby deer her dad picked up out of the middle of the road?
Please..
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I probably wouldn't have said anything, but again...she's a kid.
Given how many times she mentioned the probability that the deer would have to be re-homed, I'd say she's got her head on straighter than most kids..
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Yeah, imagine that.. Emzy and her family felt like taking it to the vet was the right thing and, even though doing so could have gotten them in big trouble, they did it anyway.
Clearly, the hallmark of criminal minds.
By the way...you say it's a "big crime"...how big a crime is it, exactly? What's your source?
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Um...and then what? Give them an internet username? Are they gonna go issue warrants to check ISP records and assign a cybercrime task force to track down the identity of these cold-blooded bottlefeeders of orphaned baby deer?
I think some of you guys are going WAAAAAAAAAAAAY overboard with this..
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No, it's my bad. This thread is starting to get my dander up a little, I think. I probably just need to
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I wish goats lost their horns every year.. Then I wouldn't have to "disbud" anybody.
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Yep...and gross as that is, it's not nearly as gross as a buck goat during rut..
For those of you who have never been around a buck goat in rut....think about what deerman just wrote about how the whitetail does 'mark' their legs...now think about a buck goat's beard....now think "mop."
Yeah..
I like to call the goat rut "yellowbeard fever."
No, it's my bad. This thread is starting to get my dander up a little, I think. I probably just need to
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I wish goats lost their horns every year.. Then I wouldn't have to "disbud" anybody.
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Yep...and gross as that is, it's not nearly as gross as a buck goat during rut..
For those of you who have never been around a buck goat in rut....think about what deerman just wrote about how the whitetail does 'mark' their legs...now think about a buck goat's beard....now think "mop."
Yeah..
I like to call the goat rut "yellowbeard fever."
toredano I agree with you but the problem is she doesnt want to CONTACT REHAB facilities! She's planning on keeping the dang thing at her other house. with a bright orange collar around it lol. As if that's going to help it!
And CM, as far as her taking it to the vet...they DIDN'T. She called a local vet to ask about feeding it. So she could have been calling from anywhere. What trouble was the vet going to get her in if he didnt know her location and have the deer there visible to him? So really that wasnt a "brave move" on their part at all.
And to whomever posted the response about castration, I never said she was going to- she was the one who asked if you can fix a buck to solve the rut problem. I was simply stating the fact that she even thought about taking an illegally kept deer to a vet to neuter him for her own personal gain was ... to say the least... eccentric.
And CM, as far as her taking it to the vet...they DIDN'T. She called a local vet to ask about feeding it. So she could have been calling from anywhere. What trouble was the vet going to get her in if he didnt know her location and have the deer there visible to him? So really that wasnt a "brave move" on their part at all.
And to whomever posted the response about castration, I never said she was going to- she was the one who asked if you can fix a buck to solve the rut problem. I was simply stating the fact that she even thought about taking an illegally kept deer to a vet to neuter him for her own personal gain was ... to say the least... eccentric.
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