Baby goat with no appetite?

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Quote: You're confusing one person's opinion, coupled with an assumption, for actual fact
What the picture shows is a goat NOT TREATED soon enough, and she's blaming the wormer for her negligence

Also, bleeding from worms would be inside the stomach, and that's not what the picture shows

As I said before, I don't just make this stuff up.
I can coroborate the facts with multiple reliable sources:

Do you believe a COLLEGE SCIENCE LAB, or "Goatlady"?
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The withdrawal time is also shorter when the product is given orally.

http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/an_sci/extension/animal/meatgoat/MGWormer.htm
 
Just a comment. A worm load will cause a loss of appetite. Are you sure he has mites and not lice? For lice any louse powder will do. Just go to any livestock supply or feed store and they should have something. And if he is an intact billy goat, you need to get him castrated. Sooner is better than later. But not before his condition improves.
 
You're confusing one person's opinion, coupled with an assumption, for actual fact
What the picture shows is a goat NOT TREATED soon enough, and she's blaming the wormer for her negligence

Also, bleeding from worms would be inside the stomach, and that's not what the picture shows

As I said before, I don't just make this stuff up.
I can coroborate the facts with multiple reliable sources:

Do you believe a COLLEGE SCIENCE LAB, or "Goatlady"?
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http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/an_sci/extension/animal/meatgoat/MGWormer.htm

I just don't trust Fias Co Farms as 100%, and that is what you originally provided. They are a decent enough source, but not a veterinarian. I am glad you at least managed to provide a reliable information source, but you also did not highlight an important factoid form your quote from the article. "Experimentally, the oral form appears to be more effective than the injectable, especially in goats." It has only been experimented on slightly, so I wouldn't take that as factual truth yet, until more trials are run. When you read a research article, you need to read it thoroughly.

When a few more experiments with a very large population size is run, and shows conclusive proof it is more effective when the injectable form is given orally, then I'll be convinced. I will still give a wormer via it's proper route. In other words, if it is an injectible medication, it will be given via injection.

And no, the bleeding would not necessarily be limited to inside the gi system. Intestinal worms can perforate the lining of the intestines. So yes, rapidly killed off worms can cause bleeding into the abdominal cavity.

It is our responsibility to give the most factual information possible to other folks. Hearsay and guesstimation won't do a new goat keeper any good.
 
Ok, I just got back from treating the little goat. I have not laid eyes on him since last July and I am shocked.

His brother is normal sized, about 20-30 lbs. "Squirt" The little goat I have aquired is lucky enough to be around 10lbs at 2.5 months old. My original guess at the age was way off. He is about the size of a house cat or larger sized chihuahua, nothing but bones. He is so small he looks like a newborn kid.

His belly is bloated out. I am guessing that he has a worm load, but I refrained from worming him due to fears of killing him. Reading back over these posts, Im glad I did not.

This little guy is in sever distress.

He should be twice the size he is now.

I dusted him with permethrin powder and worked it into his skin. Im not sure if its lice or mites he has externally, but they were clumped together, small and yellow all over his hair folicles. He does not have hair loss.

Im guessing that the rumen is his way of digesting. He seems to be burping and chewing what little bits of food he does eat, so im going to hazard a guess and say he is ok in that department.

I did dust his little barn, but the hay and the bedding they use are one and the same. I am hoping the permethrin does not make the goats sick. I did not use all that much on the housing. I do not have permission to treat the other goats, so I have done no dusting on them. I will dust him again in 10 days. Even if it does not kill all the lice/mites, I hope it give him some relief.

What should i do about the worms. I may get in touch with a vet, but its the weekend, so I may not be able to reach anyone until Monday. I dont have injectible Ivomec and if I did, I have no idea how much to give to such a tiny little guy.

Im not kidding, he is small enough to tuck under my arm and carry like a cat, and he has no muscle tone at all, just bones. Im amazed he has made it this long.

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Squirt is my goat, his brother is Nibblet. This was taken in July. Squirt is no bigger now than he was in the picture above.
 
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It's real simple. If you worm him the wormer may kill him. Not likely but possible. If you don't worm him, the worms WILL kill him. That is not just a possibility, it's a probability. If it makes you feel any better, I have wormed some pretty distressed animals in the past. They all survived.
 
It's real simple. If you worm him the wormer may kill him. Not likely but possible. If you don't worm him, the worms WILL kill him. That is not just a possibility, it's a probability. If it makes you feel any better, I have wormed some pretty distressed animals in the past. They all survived.

I totally see this as my only option. Danged if I do and Danged if I dont. I want to give this guy the best chance he can get. I talked to an on-call vet yesterday, they said injectable was the best course. I confirmed that if given orally, that the worms would die to fast and cause a bleed out or shock to the goat. Since he is so young and in such a state, injections were best to make sure its a slow administration of the drug. Monday I will go down to the office when it opens and get the does he needs. Hopefully it will save his life.

I'll keep you updated.
 
I totally see this as my only option. Danged if I do and Danged if I dont. I want to give this guy the best chance he can get. I talked to an on-call vet yesterday, they said injectable was the best course. I confirmed that if given orally, that the worms would die to fast and cause a bleed out or shock to the goat. Since he is so young and in such a state, injections were best to make sure its a slow administration of the drug. Monday I will go down to the office when it opens and get the does he needs. Hopefully it will save his life.

I'll keep you updated.

I am glad you spoke with a vet. A lot of people use the internet for their only source. But someone who has spent their life working in veterinary medicine is the best source! Having a good relationship with a livestock vet is the best thing possible.

I really hope your little guy does well. I bet he will thrive with your deveoted care!
 

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