Banning linebreeding in Oregon??? H$U$!!!

[redhen]

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In some cases the other breeders might not be local. There might be a perfect stud in Texas but if you live in New Jersey it might not be feasible to send your female to the stud. As for high fees many breeders will make a deal with one another for 'pick of the litter', co-owner or something they both can agree on instead.

yeah..i noticed that in the Westminster dog show recently... they had alot of dogs that were co-owned... interesting. Thanks for the info...

 

[CoopCrazy]

I feel this is ridiculous.. While I dont agree with continuing to over breed dogs, I do know that line breeding is effective in breeding out genetic issues and creating a better dog.. I cant beleive they will be able to get this to pass... All my Purebred dogs were line bred for Temperment which is how I ended up with some very sweet not nippy LC Chihuahuas

 

[redhen]

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really??

It is a form of inbreeding. just not severe as breeding full brother to full sister.

ahh.. i think i see. So its like grandpa to granddaughter then?? You skip a generation?

 

[farmerlor]

Of course, we have created some problems when we breed from a gene pool that's too small. Remember the lethal white problems with Paint horses? And look at some of the health problems we're seeing in purebred dogs. Seems like we're breeding for size, color, conformation and forgetting health and vigor along the way. NO, I do NOT agree that this is something that the government needs to be sticking their noses into.

 

[SarahBeth9394]

I was watching a very interesting documentary on BBCA not long ago that was talking about Crufts. They were focusing on how linebreeding (inbreeding) had caused many breeds to change drastically over the course many years. They were saying something about pushed in snouts not being an original trait in any dog and that some breeds with pushed in snouts have nasal issues (pekineses) and other dogs like the pug have trouble with having pups and too many require c-sections. They also showed another champion dog (can't remember what it was/either pug or king charles cavalier) that had a huge curvature of the spine but since that was bred in as a trait.

 

[Teach97]

okay...let's see what kind of flak I can get...

First off...technically speaking...line breeding is a form of in-breeding...BUT (that is a big but) there is a plan and reason behind it.

Most breeders will tell you that sibling relationship breeding is to be avoided. The gain to be made (selecting for a trait) is harder to predict due to the nature of independent assortment and those other rules of genetics those silly science teachers teach (yes I would be that silly teacher). You use line breeding because you believe that an animal has a characteristic that makes it better than other members of its breed (maybe even species). You want to propogate it. By taking offspring of that animal and breeding back to the original owner of the characteristic you are increasing the likely hood of producing more of that characteristic. In doing this, you are running the risk of supporting some flaws that may be in existance. (think hip displasia in dogs) The problem comes by continued breeding of a small population. Line-breeding does bring in other genetics to keep this at bay (remember - it is part of a plan...no the plan is not to simply breed over and over and over to the same animal)...

Why would a breeder use their stud and not out-source...can be pride...can be because their animal has a truely better characteristic.

During this entire time you must be factoring in a factor kown as the inbreeding coefficient. Most plans take this into account and it is monitored. Typically you are breeding several "lines" at one time...you will cross into these lines to keep your coefficent down...plus it helps to stop those bad traits from surfacing. It basically comes down to a mater of management. Can it be done wrong with bad results...of course. But to make sound management practice illegal because folks might do it wrong...well that is legislating against stupidity and heck if we really want to stop that lets make folks get a license to have kids!

 

[Buster52]

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PEOPLE!!???

 

[Cara]

We have a horse whose family tree is more like a stick. Genetically 52% of her makeup hasn't changed since 1932. Now that is a little creepy. Luckily she doesn't have any health issues, but she is so line (in)bred she is even marked identically to many of her ancestors.

 

[AHappychick]

I never thought line breeding in mammals was very good, maybe if only one generation. Mutts are always healthier. I believe line breeding in birds is different but that too should be restrained to maybe 2 generations, 3 at the most.

Not being a dog breeder I guess I don't really know but the health issues with pure breeds are sky high and at this point cruel to the animals that hips no longer work, or that have a number of other issues just because they were so inbred to "look perfect" and bring in the most money.

I have been bringing in fresh blood to all of my flocks and maybe my egg color will not be as dark but I also think my birds will be healthier because of it.

Plus I am for anything that slows down these puppy mills.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Looks like a proposal or has this already been inacted?

Probably aimed at the puppy mills. At least, I'm going to assume so. The intent of this legislation could be quite noble, but it will hit some unintentional targets or targets that should not be aimed at. (Whoever is doing this may know exactly what they are doing) Hopefully some education of the elected representatives that will vote on this is underway.

Redyre Rotties, have you contacted your elected representative and asked how this is intended to affect the legitimate breeders of show dogs? Perhaps you could contact the local Kennel Club to assure they are aware of this. Maybe the Kennel Club or someone else appropriate can come up with wording that protects legitimate interests yet allows targeting of the puppy mills. I'm not a lawyer but I know that the wording of a law has to be very precise and a tiny error can have huge consequences.

Don't you love our elected representatives? They are all human and subject to human mistakes. The only talent they have proven they have is the talent to get elected or maybe reelected. Our system of elected representative democracy may have a lot of flaws, but in my opinion it is still better than any other system I've seen. I have worked in Europe, Asia, and Africa, by the way.