Bantam Ameraucana

[romea]

I think only in terms of size and some unrecognized colors between the two.

Check the Ameraucana Breeders club and the Ameraucana Alliance clubs out. They are the best place to look for that info.

I don't have the American bantam association standard book just the the American poultry association standard book.

Thank you!
I just found a thread on this topic initiated by Ross Acres: https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/standard-of-perfection-for-the-ameraucana-bantam.1634599/

I am seeing that the description overlaps with that of the standard sized Ams.
I was scratching my head looking at the pictures posted here because I cannot see the Ameraucana reflected in these - albeit adorable - birds but instead see the stance/body conformation of a d'Anvers or d'Uccle.

(The standard for Ams reads:
"TAIL: Medium length, well spread, carried at 40º angle above horizontal.
WINGS: Fairly prominent, carried above the hock joint.")

People on here have been warning folks to make sure they are not getting Easter Eggers instead of Ameraucanas (occasionally then sold as "Americanas" and other fantasy names). Well... it looks to me that whoever sold these, is/was again not selling 'true' bantam Ameraucanas but a variety of the Belgian bantams?

 

[NagemTX]

Thank you!
I just found a thread on this topic initiated by Ross Acres: https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/standard-of-perfection-for-the-ameraucana-bantam.1634599/

I am seeing that the description overlaps with that of the standard sized Ams.
I was scratching my head looking at the pictures posted here because I cannot see the Ameraucana reflected in these - albeit adorable - birds but instead see the stance/body conformation of a d'Anvers or d'Uccle.

(The standard for Ams reads:
"TAIL: Medium length, well spread, carried at 40º angle above horizontal.
WINGS: Fairly prominent, carried above the hock joint.")

People on here have been warning folks to make sure they are not getting Easter Eggers instead of Ameraucanas (occasionally then sold as "Americanas" and other fantasy names). Well... it looks to me that whoever sold these, is/was again not selling 'true' bantam Ameraucanas but a variety of the Belgian bantams?

It would be best to look for show pictures of bantam Ameraucanas. That's where you'll see the best that win. They should conform more to the standard but there will be trends with in the standard and per how birds are judged. Its the same in all show animals.

 

[NagemTX]

I have bantam sliver Ameraucanas and they are not to the specification because silver is rare and being worked on. Out of my hatching eggs I got mostly males and one female. She lays blue eggs and her body type is correct but no beard or muffs. My two boys that I kept back are both lacking in the comb department and are only P/p for it. If you want something closer to SOP for bantams look at blacks, blues, lavenders, and wheatons.

 

[romea]

It would be best to look for show pictures of bantam Ameraucanas. That's where you'll see the best that win. They should conform more to the standard but there will be trends with in the standard and per how birds are judged. Its the same in all show animals.

I understand - but I am currently searching for a breeder who breeds these bantams true to the look of their standard-sized brethren...

 

[NagemTX]

I understand - but I am currently searching for a breeder who breeds these bantams true to the look of their standard-sized brethren...

Look through the two clubs breeders directories is your best bet.

 

[romea]

I have bantam sliver Ameraucanas and they are not to the specification because silver is rare and being worked on. Out of my hatching eggs I got mostly males and one female. She lays blue eggs and her body type is correct but no beard or muffs. My two boys that I kept back are both lacking in the comb department and are only P/p for it. If you want something closer to SOP for bantams look at blacks, blues, lavenders, and wheatons.

Interesting... But are you selling them? And if so, do you declare them "Ameraucanas"?

If a recognized breeder markets bantam Ameraucanas, I am expecting that I am getting that 'whole package' - but, well... in a smaller version.
If, however, you're not quite there yet as a breeder, I would say: don't market them as "Ameraucanas"...

Also, when I am purchasing hatching eggs from a hatchery/company that is selling distinct breeds, I expect that such a place shields me from experimentation - especially when they are asking - say - $150 for a dozen eggs.

 

[romea]

Look through the two clubs breeders directories is your best bet.

Is this one of the directories that you mean? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H9Ni3gym6Cwdwn72ijwkm7e61rzpDS5H3rCi2lC2EGA/edit

 

[NagemTX]

Is this one of the directories that you mean? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H9Ni3gym6Cwdwn72ijwkm7e61rzpDS5H3rCi2lC2EGA/edit

Yes.

 

[NagemTX]

Interesting... But are you selling them? And if so, do you declare them "Ameraucanas"?

If a recognized breeder markets bantam Ameraucanas, I am expecting that I am getting that 'whole package' - but, well... in a smaller version.
If, however, you're not quite there yet as a breeder, I would say: don't market them as "Ameraucanas"...

Also, when I am purchasing hatching eggs from a hatchery/company that is selling distinct breeds, I expect that such a place shields me from experimentation - especially when they are asking - say - $150 for a dozen eggs.

Im currently not selling as I'm working on them. They are sold as Ameraucana because they are a recognized color and as close to sop as they can get on a variety thats rare and needs work. They are just rare and need work. There are othere verities that don't. Silvers can only be gotten from a very few bleeders that are working on them so yup I'll pay $150 for a dozen eggs so I can work with them.

I did get mine from GypsyHen and she shows and wins. As a breeder it takes alot of chicks to get where you want in relation to sop on a verity like silvers in Ameraucana. It's not work everyone wants or is equipped to do.

Look for blacks they are the oldest set of the verities in Ameraucana LF and Bantam.

Project colors can and do go for more than $150 a dozen. They are colors that aren't recognized.

 

[NagemTX]

Also, when I am purchasing hatching eggs from a hatchery/company that is selling distinct breeds, I expect that such a place shields me from experimentation - especially when they are asking - say - $150 for a dozen eggs.

There are maybe 3 hatcheries you can get Ameraucana from and none sell the bantams or hatching eggs for the LF. If you want pretty good starting base for LF it's Cackle. This is from my experience only. Cackle supports the shows, tries to breed to sop the best they can(they do a pretty good job on their favorite breeds one of them is Ameraucana) and show as well.

If you keep looking to buy perfection it won't happen. Chickens of all breeds are a work in progress and never perfect. You can turn EEs into Ameraucana by breeding to SOP.

The bantam variety is harder to come by as they arnt as popular as othere bantams and they are pricey. This is the very reason people try to pawn off EE as Ameraucana.

Personly I think most Ameraucana breeders over charge for hatching eggs. Some in the clubs think so as well.