Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

[Piet]

I have two pretty eyes in my head. Furthermore I know some show judges, and poultry photographers, who briefed me in such things.
I've got Welsumer as teenager from one of the best breeder in Germany, but their eggs had this color


compare with this
http://www.welsumer.com/index_kunstbrut.php
My Barnies deliver the same poor color


and now compare with my scottish strain ... eggs are from July 2013 after 9 months laying period.



That's the reason why this dutch breeder made imports aswell
http://www.nut-welsumer.nl/Het Welsumer Ei DE.htm
Do You know, the reason why the english breeder has still this dark eggs?
They are not to shy to make crossings with Marans. That's a No go for mainland breeder, but consequently the dead for their breeds regarding "egg performance".
New blood is necessary today as it was usual untill to the 1940's. Then the psycho hype of pure breeding began ... or what was still worse, if new blood was introduced, they uses light egg layers, like Wyandottes in the Barnies.



Can You show eggs of Your double double coffee eggs? As far I know from historical reports, they should look like my scottish Welsumer eggs or darker.

Yes, but Marcel is not using them in his Dutch strain. They are just there, but do not come near the type they should be and would be disqualified at shows. Those German eggs are horrible and their Welsummers are quite different from the Dutch ones in type and color, I believe they are genetically different. My Welsummers lay not as dark as those on the plate, maybe in the beginning (pullets) but not all the time. I would also not outcross to a british production type welsummer, because all the other downfalls outweigh the nice egg color and I do not think I live long enough to put that dark egg under one of my hens, if you know what I mean. Red Cap, do you live in North America? The only wyandotte I heard of being used was by the breeder Mr. Oskam, he made the double laced blues. That's a whole other story though.
Piet

 

[Redcap]

I am in the capital of Germany. The breed standards of NL, GB and D are actually different.

 

[Piet]

Aha dann kannst du auch Deutsch mit mir reden. Ich komme aus die Niederlande nur 10 minuten uber die grenze. Die Deutsche machen ja alle mochliche farbenslagen!

Yes I know the standards vary, its too bad but it is what it is. Piet

You are an early bird or late? its 3:30 am in Germany!

 

[DiamondDust]

Redcap, my Barnevelders (bred here in America) are producing eggs the color of those on the lower right of the picture you mentioned. The only lighter colored eggs I've gotten are not as light as the eggs on the left and are from the few project Blue Double Laced birds I have. Now I feel very happy to have the line I have since they are very nice looking in type and egg color. Thanks for the links!

DD

 

[Redcap]

It's 2:30 ... and yes I am a night owl. The dutch breeder are much more enganged in creating new colors ... just see the Orpingtons. Many colors we don't have. And finally it were dutch breeder who recreated the silver double laced Barnevelders in large and bantams. Thats the best color in this breed - very distinctive! But their egg color is sooo poor, as the "recreator" Mr. Beugeldijk and Mr. Simmelink and Mr. Tensen have used (Bantam) Wyandottes aswell. Honestly I would have used the chance to introduce silver based Marans. I intend to catch up on that, or I use english silver duckwing Welsumer.

 

[Piet]

Yes the bantam europa Champion was even a silver. There are rougly 300 breeders going on that variety now in Holland alone and sure someone (maybe yourself) will take that more into account. There is much work left with the large ones though. It only took you guys two years to get them in your standard after bringing birds in. Very good stuff. Piet

 

[Redcap]

Well, if I had the money and the space I would work on many died out variations - like the spangled Barnevelders , which were actually tollbunt/speckled.

 

[pysankigirl]

but that bird doesn't even look like a Barnevelder to me!

the silhouette is all wrong.

 

[Redcap]

Have You ever seen better pictures of Barnevelders from the 1920s? I have seen really bad champions of every kind of breeds, which look not better than this example (Wyandotte).
Birds of that time look very different to today. Same with dogs, cattles etc. pp.
http://de.scribd.com/doc/156238632/Eggs-Versus-Feathers

 

[poultch]

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rather like this splash laced red Wyandotte

But to achieve that, you'd need to do many consecutive splash to splash matings, and if egg colour is a key requisite of yours then considering the blues are generally poorer in this department, you'd have a uphill battle. from the get-go.
Far better off IMO to utilise dominant white, leave it het,
and a brown egg layer commercial white tailed red would be a far better starting point, you wouldn't harm egg colour at all, even improve it - depending on your existing line of Barnies you'd be backcrossing to.