Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

[farmerturner]

Question for you all, I ended up with 7 hens 7 roosters. I am looking at what blue laced rooster to keep. There are the two different colors on them. What is more of the breed standard? One has brown/blue lace on stomach the other has blue only.

 

[Double Laced]

hi, do you want to continue to breed blue laced barnevelders?

The genetics is complicated, ideally you need a pure blue rooster across gold laced hens.

If you breed blue laced and blue laced you may get a mix from pure gold through to blue but most likely the results will be a splash

The best you can do is select the most blue rooster and hens and breed them till you get a pure blue ( 3 to 4 generations) and then use this to produce blue laced.

 

[VistaSRJ]

If you are breeding blue chickens, it will be hard to make them breed true because of the genetics. Breeding blue birds to blue birds will normally get you approximately 50% blue, 25% splash, and 25% black (partridge). A blue male over black hens should produce 50% blue, 50% black. The only way to always end up with all blue chicks is to put a splash male over black hens for 100% blues. Getting and keeping the lacing pattern correct will be even harder, as the blue genetics can really mess that up.

To actually address your question about the cockerel's chest color, all the roosters I've seen have had solid blue chests. However, I am curious to hear from an expert if the laced chest is also acceptable.

 

[Double Laced]

If you are breeding blue chickens, they will never breed true because of the genetics. Breeding blue birds to blue birds you will get 50% blue, 25% splash, and 25% black (partridge). A blue male over black hens will produce 50% blue, 50% black. The only way to always end up with all blue chicks is to put a splash male over black hens for 100% blues. Getting and keeping the lacing pattern correct will be even harder, as the blue genetics can really mess that up.

To actually address your question about the cockerel's chest color, all the roosters I've seen have had solid blue chests. However, I am curious to hear from an expert if the laced chest is also acceptable.

I have blue barnevelders that breed true. they do however get lighter with each generation. This was how we eventually bred white barnevelders. I have also crossed blue laced with blue laced and the results are not predictable like you suggest.

The rooster have solid blue chest because they are melanised single laced.

 

[VistaSRJ]

I have blue barnevelders that breed true. they do however get lighter with each generation. This was how we eventually bred white barnevelders. I have also crossed blue laced with blue laced and the results are not predictable like you suggest.

The rooster have solid blue chest because they are melanised single laced.

That's very interesting. Those percentages were what I've read in every article or book on creating and maintaining blue birds of any species. And they all state that you can't get blue to breed blue consistently. Obviously you've figured out something genetically different for your birds, so congratulations.

As to the rooster's chest, I know BLR Wyandotte males have lacing on the chest. However, is this acceptable in the Barnevelder, or is the solid blue chest preferred?

 

[farmerturner]

Thank you for the info, I have a splash rooster and black rooster too. I wanted to keep 1 of each. I have 1 splash pullet, and a couple black laced and blue laced. They are all 10 weeks old.

Here is one of my blue laced hens.

 

[Hatchery Hive]

Hello,
My wife and I breed and sale Ayam Cemanis



We are interested in exploring the practicality of doing the same with
buying and breeding double laced barnevelders...
We are leaning towards silver barnevelders
(Those BLUE ones look amazing as well.)

specifically Standard sized birds, not the bantams...

Do any of you sale these "double laced" barnevelders breeds?
Interested in trading some for Cemanis?

-------- on another note------

The Cemani Black Genetic Trait can make other breeds turn dark blue and Purple.
We are experimenting with breeding Dark blue/Purple Americaunas.
Even now, We are collecting eggs for an experimental hatch...

we shall soon see if the below pictured examples can be done with Americaunas

 

[tls_ranch]

Question for you all, I ended up with 7 hens 7 roosters. I am looking at what blue laced rooster to keep. There are the two different colors on them. What is more of the breed standard? One has brown/blue lace on stomach the other has blue only.

I would keep the solid blue breasted cockerel. It is not to APA standard, but follows with the Dutch standard. They have done years of research on what produces the best double laced pattern. Ground color (red lacing) in the breasts of males will cause females to have light shafting and poorer lacing over all.

Trisha.

 

[Double Laced]

I would keep the solid blue breasted cockerel. It is not to APA standard, but follows with the Dutch standard. They have done years of research on what produces the best double laced pattern. Ground color (red lacing) in the breasts of males will cause females to have light shafting and poorer lacing over all.

Trisha.

Agreed. I know nothing about the APA standards but this bird will likely give better offspring.

I would also wait until after their final moult before making your choice. this is one of mine from last year.
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[tls_ranch]

This pullet's sister has been hanging out in the nest box today making a fuss. They are about 20 weeks old. Both are from my first hatch of this year, but the one in the nest box is a little faster maturing. I can't wait to see what her egg color looks like. Hopefully she will be a " keeper" along with her sister.

She is A little wet from the water misters.

My favorite blue cockerel so far from this year's hatches.

More " blue chicks"

Out with their " grandmother". Her daughter was the mother of most of the chicks in this clutch.

My oldest blue cockerel from this year.