barred barnevelder???

[ZZsBabiez]

The APA Standard of Perfection states...

BARNEVELDERS
The breed was originated in the district of Barneveld, Holland with the brown egs as one of the chief attractions. At first the birds were of mixed markings, some being double laced, others the single partridge pattern. Two varieties were standardized, the double laced partridge and the stippled partridge, but the former gradually came to the top and is the popular variety today.

 

[ZZsBabiez]

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Who's single laced? Who are you referring to?

Surely you don't think my pics are single laced..

 

[Krys109uk]

I don't see barring on these laced wyandottes either.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=197843

 

[zoomia]

Update on the barnevelder wannabe.

So my little barnevelder is almost six months now, and looks pretty much the same as the picture in my first post--in short, nothing like a barnevelder. The barring is a little messier now, and she's got both barred and laced (also messy, more like stippled) feathers.

I know the breeder I got her egg from has been working on barnevelders from hatchery eggs. So what do you think she's been crossed with to get this effect? I can post newer pix if anyone would like--just need to wait until it stops pouring ....

 

[amazondoc]

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I don't think she was necessarily crossed with anything. My barnies were also pretty barred as kids, although not as severely as yours. IMHO, most likely the problem is just that hatcheries don't do a good job of selecting their breeding stock, so the stock often drifts away from the breed standard. JMHO!

 

[Chickndaddy]

I have had some feather out like that and some that were reversed completely as far as feather pattern. Light where they should be dark and vice versa. The roos had super light hackle and saddle feathers. Almost like the variation in Black Copper Marans.

 

[Krys109uk]

I have had some feather out like that and some that were reversed completely as far as feather pattern. Light where they should be dark and vice versa. The roos had super light hackle and saddle feathers

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That's sounds like lack of selection. The birds with the reversed pattern might have been due to lack of a gene called malanotic.​

 

[Chickndaddy]

I am definitely not a Barnie expert. While gorgeous their productivity was definitely lacking. So they just lived in a breeding pen, ate feed, and layed three eggs a day out of twenty or so hens (if I was lucky)...

I practically hatched every egg I could. I don't think I ever really sold Barnie hatching eggs because I couldn't insure how fresh they were.

 

[ArizonaDesertChicks]

Can you post a new picture of her?

I bought two barnevelder chicks from a feed store - one of them has normal barnevelder lacing while the other has a red chest and more red throughout her body. You can see their pics at the bottom of this page - baby pics too:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/web/viewblog.php?id=19548-from-chicks-to-pullets-to-hens

 

[tadkerson]

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I can see there is still discussion on the bird and would like to add more to the topic. I have raised barnies and have not seen autosomal barring in the good double laced pullets. I have also worked with wyandottes (gold and silver) and they did not develop autosomal barring. I have seen the autosomal barring in barnie crosses ( brown birds) and barnies that were not homozygous for the genes that cause a double lace. The hybrid birds developed poor secondary color patterns, penciling,ect . The bird pictured at the beginning is autosomal barred and may develop into a penciled (partridge) bird but I would imagine it will stay autosomal barred or develop zonal patterns.

She is very interesting. I missed the age of the pullet. How old was she when the picture was taken?

Tim