Barred Rocks Good Shepard Poulty Ranch

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look at this picture of a male Jermey used for breeding and many of you got eggs from him. My question look at his tail it is very good did any of you get males with'
tails like this from the eggs you got.??? If so could you take a picture of them for us to look at? This is the tail you want to try to fix onto this line
If you get a male like this you may take two of his daughters that have great type and lenth of body and mate back to this male. Then the next year take again the two best females with the best tails and mate back to the old male again. Once you end up seeing many of your males with this style of fully furnished tail exchange some eggs with each other and then cross in to your line.
If two or three of you do this I think in three to five years you will all have good lenth of bodyand good tails on your males. The reason I am telling you this is Barred Rock males dont have very good tails and that is why most of the time the females win at the shows. Just something to think about. Jermey do you have many males out of this male? Do they have a tail like this male?

Look forward to your relplys. bob

if some one can make this picture show up on this message please let me know. I can not get my photo bucket pictures to show up on this site like I use to. bob


That male has a better tail, He was awful young in that picture. He has been in a breeding pen for a few weeks so he doesn't look good. The trouble is I haven't seen a BR in the flesh that has a better tail than the males I have. I know you need a tail on a bird but tails don't taste very good in the frying pan. I have a few males out of that male one has a descent tail.
 
Thanks Kathy for getting the picture up was this your male? He is the only male I have seen from Franks line with a good rock tail many are sorry in the furnishings. bob
 
Thanks Kathy for getting the picture up was this your male? He is the only male I have seen from Franks line with a good rock tail many are sorry in the furnishings. bob

He is Jememy's. That is Jeremy posting here..... Jwhip.......



That male has a better tail, He was awful young in that picture. He has been in a breeding pen for a few weeks so he doesn't look good. The trouble is I haven't seen a BR in the flesh that has a better tail than the males I have. I know you need a tail on a bird but tails don't taste very good in the frying pan. I have a few males out of that male one has a descent tail.

 
Hey there Scott, on your question on the tail angle(degrees above center-line/horizontal back line). well that's an older picture you posted and back in the day the tail angle for Rocks was 40* maybe even as high as 45* (cant remember right now but you can do some studying up on it) and then to now I guess 30* in the current SOP. Why I have no idea, to me it takes away from the over all gravy bowl or heart shaped/Cochin(cushion) type from which they were developed from and the Cochin shape/influence was a dominant trait that stood out once upon a time. Now with the lower tail-set that seems to be the norm. they look more like Barred Rhode Island than Plymouth Rocks and the same also can be said with the now trend of White Plymouth Rocks too with those straight almost horizontal tails and 12 lbs for some show cocks (come on) now were getting into Orpington/ and Jersey Giant sizes there. There are reasons they have certain standards(weights/and measurements) for each class and breed. I think the trends seem to just throw a lot of this stuff out with the trash and whatever the judges think it supposed to be or satisfies them is the "IT"

OK I shall step back from the pulpit and let someone else have the podium now from which I'm sure I'll get a blasting, but I can take it I got a pair (big shoulders) that is
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Jeff

Why does it seem like all the males that I see pictures of all have horizontal tails? It is virtually impossible to find a picture of a rooster with a 30 degree above horizontal tail, as described in the SOP. Hatchery barreds seem to have tails that are too high, sometimes even to the point of being squirrel tails. The show lines appear to go in the opposite direction; nearly horizontal. This is a photo taken from the Plymouth Rock Club photo directory, showing, I presume, a rooster from the early 1900's. Is this not the classic "gravy bowl" shape that we should be striving for? Or not?

 
Thanks Kathy for getting the picture up was this your male? He is the only male I have seen from Franks line with a good rock tail many are sorry in the furnishings. bob

Hey there Mr. Blosl I to had gotten the picture to come up in a previous post and if you want me to share. I'll try to tell you maybe in a more laymens terms than all the sophisticated know-it-all computer gurus that don't need to know this stuff say how to do it.

To post a picture on the new format go up to the top (heading area on the reply page) you see the smiley face there, go to the left of it 5 symbols, its a little square box that looks like its got a little orange arrow curving left hold your cursor arrow on it it will say Insert Image, click on that then go from there. I did it and if I can do it most anybody can, trust me. It only took me 2 weeks to figure out the little (pencil symbol) in the bottom of the page was the EDIT(what's wrong with writing out something in good old English/spelling its pretty much a universal language more people understand than a ****** pencil symbol for sure) and believe me I don't dare post much without having an out to fix things and hush my mouth either, sometimes. OOPS
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Jeff
 
Jeff dont you know big is better and the heck with what the standard says? One reason I got out of my Rhode Island Red large fowl is two rookie guys wrote back to me and told me they cant win with my Rhode Island Reds because they are to small>> To Small. If you wont to win up here they have to be big. The last male I ship ed out at ten months of age weighed 9 lbs.One and a half pounds over standard size which I breed to get the egg production then to get good feather quality. At the last big show up yonder many where talking how big the large fowl are getting today. My question is no one weighs the birds at the shows. No judge can get his hands on a scale at the shows and if he did he would never get a job judging in that show again. They are out of control and no buddy will do anything about it. Is it the judges fault and the breeder breeds to what will win him stared wins? Schilling use to say it is Fad ism. That is what it is. So you have to breed to win points or breed to the standard and win half the shows you go to. In Rhode Island Red bantams a new fad got started about 15 years ago. Females with backs like a Plymouth Rock. Today you can go to a show and there may be 80 red bantams. 60 have top lines like a rock and 20 have flat backs brick shaped like they are suppose to and you may see best of breed female in the Poultry Press in a month or so and you swear to god she is a Plymouth rock. Go figure. It drives me nuts. But these guys want to be master exhibitors or breeders and get their names in the year books or in our quarterly breed club newsletters. All you can do is get out your black and white picture that Schilling painted in 1952 look at the picture and try to get that look on your birds. bob
 


I think I figured out how to upload a picture out of my computer. Thanks for the tip.

This picture is a female from I think two years ago. She has a low top line which I was working on and now I am trying to keep the
back flat in the middle then come up with the lift. One thing I have learned is if you let a young bird go through their molt their backs will
rise up about five to seven degrees from when they where young. Many are getting their lifts to high like a Langshang. We are seeing this in white rocks
bantams today. More is not better. bob
 
Hey Bob, I have followed you on and off on BYC for the last couple of years. You seem to have a real good feel for the Direction the birds need to go to get where they need to be. I currently breed Giants and follow the Barred Rocks on here. I would like a start with them. I have faired well with the giants but they are not where i want them yet. My type is good on the hens.....fair on the cocks. Need a little more size but i'm working on it. Are you are Jerermy going to Newnan ga show this month? I would enjoy chatting with yall. I would consider some eggs or chicks from some good barred rocks.
 
I have a freind his name is Matt and he is going to Newman. He should have some barred eggs or chicks. Maybe even a few breeders to spare I am not sure.He will see this message and I am sure send you a personel message to what he haves to offer. Welcome to the Barred Rock Fellowship. bob
 
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