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[wolftracks]

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I've been talking to many old time rock breeders and they say it would be nightmarish and a much longer process to breed out the barred rock coloring. So I'm going with white rocks

White Rocks are almost always bigger than any other color Rock.....another reason to use them.

w.

OK scratch the barred Rocks. Never liked them anyway. hehe

So I need to get 3 white instead of 2. That'll work. And I do want BIG!

 

[jeremy]

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I've been talking to many old time rock breeders and they say it would be nightmarish and a much longer process to breed out the barred rock coloring. So I'm going with white rocks

How would it be a long process to breed out the Barring?

According to the calculator...

black patterned silver multiple laced partridge (SPPR)

X

black unicolor barred (BR)

=

black unicolor barred (sex linked males)

&

black unicolor (solid black females)

So it would only take one generation to get rid of the "nightmarish" barring. You only continue breeding with the solid Black pullets, breeding them back to their SPPR father to work again towards the silver penciled color...

 

[cherylcohen]

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I've been talking to many old time rock breeders and they say it would be nightmarish and a much longer process to breed out the barred rock coloring. So I'm going with white rocks

White Rocks are almost always bigger than any other color Rock.....another reason to use them.

w.

Based on the ones I saw at the stockton show I would agree, I still have the pictures I took that I use to compare type

but as I understand is Jeremy, at least what I've been told is once you breed to white then you can immediately breed back to your sppr roo

 

[fowlman01]

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I've been talking to many old time rock breeders and they say it would be nightmarish and a much longer process to breed out the barred rock coloring. So I'm going with white rocks

How would it be a long process to breed out the Barring?

According to the calculator...

black patterned silver multiple laced partridge (SPPR)
http://kippenjungle.nl/kipkiezer_bestanden/zwartzilverpatrijs.JPG

X

black unicolor barred (BR)
http://kippenjungle.nl/kipkiezer_bestanden/zwartuitgebreidkoekoek.JPG

=

black unicolor barred (sex linked males)
http://kippenjungle.nl/kipkiezer_bestanden/Mzwartuitgebreidkoekoek.JPG

&

black unicolor (solid black females)
http://kippenjungle.nl/kipkiezer_bestanden/zwartuitgebreid.JPG

So it would only take one generation to get rid of the "nightmarish" barring. You only continue breeding with the solid Black pullets, breeding them back to their SPPR father to work again towards the silver penciled color...

Once you believe these things you are doomed...it is just not that easy. Barring will show itself for generations, not just one or two. I have raised thousands of BR's in both bantam and LF. It would be my last color choice to use for anything in the Rock breed. I would use it in Dels. I have practical experience with barred rocks.

w.

 

[jeremy]

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The same thing can be done with the female offspring from the SPPR X BR pairing.

Like I said in my previous post... the solid Black pullets can then be bred back to their SPPR father, from there you work on color.

With White you also have to consider whether or not the gene is dominant White or recessive White.

 

[jeremy]

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I can't really argue with that then.

 

[fowlman01]

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The same thing can be done with the female offspring from the SPPR X BR pairing.

Like I said in my previous post... the solid Black pullets can then be bred back to their SPPR father, from there you work on color.

With White you also have to consider whether or not the gene is dominant White or recessive White.

You need to talk to breeders who have actually tried these things. It is just not that simple. No rock breeder that I know would ever go that route.

w.

 

[jeremy]

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The same thing can be done with the female offspring from the SPPR X BR pairing.

Like I said in my previous post... the solid Black pullets can then be bred back to their SPPR father, from there you work on color.

With White you also have to consider whether or not the gene is dominant White or recessive White.

You need to talk to breeders who have actually tried these things. It is just not that simple. No rock breeder that I know would ever go that route.

w.

I'm sure it isn't that simple, is anything ever really that black & white?

If only...

Eh, not my project, so no biggie.

I'll be working on Orpington projects in the springtime, that's where my focus will be.

 

[fowlman01]

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I can't really argue with that then.

My Rocks came directly from Ralph Sturgeon, the man who refined the Thompson Ringlets into the birds that did so well in the shows back then. There are some good barreds around now, but they are still not as awesome as they were back in the day. In the old days there was no size difference between thew whites and barred's, but there is now. Some of the whites are a bit too big now. They become a big white bird instead of a bird with flowing lines and pleasant curves. When you make a chicken too big, they generally start to look coarse.

Walt

 

[jeremy]

Is Thelma too big Walt?