BBR Cubalaya genetics question

[cubakid]

The standard for aruacana is exactly the same as Cubalay in the BBR  in fact in the newest SOP it says refer to Cubalaya for color description.

The judge said he used to breed Cubalaya and he would get all variations in the BBR color from medium to very dark wheaten and the only accepted color was as the standard read a medium color like the lightest female I have pictured.  I showed him the picture of the Cubalaya in the SOP and he said my bird didn't look like that.

My question then if I am to breed toward the color standard of the Cubalaya, please advise me as to which hen I should be breeding towards color wise.  I am thinking the middle hen ( hoping to because I am producing mostly that color).  I think the hen on the right is just too pale looking.  Any thoughts would greatly help me.  Thank You.  

Lanae

Would a cross to a cubalaya hurt the araucana. Pea comb, red earlobes, color. I'm not sure on araucana leg/skin color. And cubalaya eggs are only tinted, not brown. Your in CA?

 

[cubalaya]

So who would I want to get a hold of for some deep red cubalaya?

there was a guy in maryland that claimed to have deep red cubalaya but to me they looked like gold wheaton or the wild type wheaton only redder. not sure if he is still breeding them. i have a pair of pakistani asil hens that i will be grading into my cubalayas. one of them is the burnt brick color and the other is the mahogany . will be interested in seeing what shades of wheaton these will produce in the cubas over time.

 

[cashdl]

Would a cross to a cubalaya hurt the araucana. Pea comb, red earlobes, color. I'm not sure on araucana leg/skin color. And cubalaya eggs are only tinted, not brown. Your in CA?

Hi Cubakid,

I had messaged you last spring about getting a wheaten pullet or two for my araucana project but you must not have gotten it. I know an araucana breeder back east that has outcrossed to the cubalaya to work on araucana color. I have a rooster from her. My hens are all very dark except one and am wondering what the preferred color for a BBR hen is in the cubalaya since the araucana should be the same.

A cross to the cubalaya would not hurt the araucana. It would just be a matter of getting rid of the tail in later generations. Araucana skin color is the same. Eggs are an issue but not insurmountable.

Your in CA also correct?

Lanae

 

[cubakid]

You show? Yes I am in CA. If you can make a trip to Stockton the last weekend of January it will be a great show, and the ABA National. I'll keep an eye out for something that can fit you needs... I guess a tail angle issue wouldn't be a problem for you though I don't get many like that.

 

[cashdl]

You show? Yes I am in CA. If you can make a trip to Stockton the last weekend of January it will be a great show, and the ABA National. I'll keep an eye out for something that can fit you needs... I guess a tail angle issue wouldn't be a problem for you though I don't get many like that.

Hi Cubakid,

I will be at the Stockton show. I will have the araucana club table set up hopefully again this year. I do show my araucana but do not have anything that I feel comfortable showing right now. I have several bbr pullets but the color is not quite right. Same for my blacks and silver duckwings.

Thank you for keeping me in mind and I look forward to seeing you at the show next month.

Lanae

 

[cashdl]

Cubakid,

I just realized that Cubalaya skin color is white. Araucana skin color is yellow, but I would be willing to work around that. I have a couple of good willow skinned cockerels if you have 1 or 2 nicely colored pullets available. I am not worried about tail set as tailed in tailed and something to be gotten rid of in the araucana. I am most worried about good color.

I am most interested in recessive wheaten females if there is any available. Mine hens all seem to carry mohagany which depending on who you ask, is either correct or not. My understanding from reading various books on araucana, is that the BBR is based on recessive wheaten. This is the color I would like to work with. Any help would be appreciated.

I would also like a picture of what the correct color for the BBR cubalay hen would be, so that I may use it as a guide in my breeding strategies.


Lanae

 

[saladin]

Burnt brick red: cinnamon. See the young hen I posted on this thread.

 

[cashdl]

This is my favorite Cubalaya pullet.

Is this the pullet you are referring to. The tone of color is good but she seems splotchy to me. In your experience is this something that will go away as she molts. For showing purposes, this would not be a good candidate color wise in the araucana, based on the APA standard of perfection. I like her head but have thought the back and wings should be an even shade lighter than the neck and the chest is an even shade lighter than the back and wings. Please educate me. I am seriously wanting to breed toward the correct color in the araucana.

Lanae

 

[saladin]

Yes, she's the one.

I thought you were talking about how to breed your birds to get what you desired? That comes before showing anything. Besides, feathers are great but type is always first and foremost. Cubalaya-wise she is about perfect for a female (tail could be a little lower but as long as it is below the horizontal I'll be fine).

Now as to coloration.

1. It is as important to see what the Standard doesn't say as to what it does say.
2. No where do you find the words 'even shade of________.'
Yes, it would be better without the spotches, but it doesn't say you can't have them
3. Breed to a good colored cock this female should throw some awesome colored chicks.

She is one of the few females I've ever produced that doesn't have hackle stripping. Hackle stripping is not mentioned in the Standard. In talking with Sam Brush about the stripping, he stated to me years ago that in 30 someodd years of raising cubes he had only seen the absence of hackle stripping in the female a few times. Thus, because it is not mentioned in the Standard it is not a fault. In other words, allowed by default.

4. Breast is lighter in color as called for by the Standard.
5. Hackle is darker in color as called for by the Standard.

What I was really refering too was the basic color this female is: cinnamon.

We use the term 'wheaten' when refering to the Cubalaya. The more accurate term would be 'cinnamon.'

 

[cashdl]

Thanks Saladin for your input. about half of my hens have hackle striping and half do not. Breeding to a good cock bird is harder than breeding to a good pullet here. With the roos looking good color wise doesn't mean they are based on wheaten and will pass that good color on to the chicks.

I have a dark cinnamon hen that I posted pics of. I took her to a show and the judge told me she didn't look like the picture in the SOP so she wasn't colored correctly. Kinda ****** me off because color is subjective. The standard refers to cinnamon. It will say light, medium or dark cinnamon and the picture is an interpretaion of what the artist thinks that color is. However the artists interpretation is just that, and I think we should be held to the standard description not what the artist thinks that means.


What I am hoping someone has is a picture of what the correct COLOR for BBR cubalaya hen should be. Has anyone had success at poultry shows with the bbr hen color. I am aware it is supposed to be cinnamon of various shades. I would like a visual representation of that on an actual bird. This week if the weather gets better I will go out and take pics of my various wheaten based araucana hens for you.


Next question. Do your wheaten hens carry mohagany or are they recessive wheaten? Any thoughts.


Lanae