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So its only the GB roos that need to be dubbed. Got it! Thanks for that info hdowden & Scaredofshadows!
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I'm willing to bet everything that the bird in question is FULL Sebright and is simply poor quality. My reasons: Rosecombs can cause fertility problems in breeds that have them and with hatcheries that have a high demand, they need birds that will reproduce well. Same goes with the hen-feathering because of the estrogen in the skin that causes the feathering.
Also, there is the difference between their wing structures. The OP's rooster has a more rounded/wide/blunt wing rather than the tight pointed wing of the OEGB. I see more Sebright in his face than I do OEGB.
Also, there is the difference between their wing structures. The OP's rooster has a more rounded/wide/blunt wing rather than the tight pointed wing of the OEGB. I see more Sebright in his face than I do OEGB.
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I would imagine this is because the Sebright was used as an outcross in producing the silver and gold laced Old English. A full Sebright would be henny feathered and not have a single comb, those features would disqualify a Sebright at a show, and would be obvious signs of crossing with another breed. This bird is a Silver Laced Old English Game Bantam. Being a fairly new variety, and this probably being a hatchery bird, it isn't going to be perfect. You can show it as "any other variety" at shows. As for quality...He's not too bad. It's hard to say a whole lot from that photo, but he's a good looking bird. He might do well at small shows, but you probably shouldn't expect to take him to large, highly competitive shows. If he is a year or older, he must be dubbed to show. Non-dubbed cocks are a disqualification. Cockerels (under a year old) aren't technically required to be dubbed, but many judges will overlook them if they are not.
I would imagine this is because the Sebright was used as an outcross in producing the silver and gold laced Old English. A full Sebright would be henny feathered and not have a single comb, those features would disqualify a Sebright at a show, and would be obvious signs of crossing with another breed. This bird is a Silver Laced Old English Game Bantam. Being a fairly new variety, and this probably being a hatchery bird, it isn't going to be perfect. You can show it as "any other variety" at shows. As for quality...He's not too bad. It's hard to say a whole lot from that photo, but he's a good looking bird. He might do well at small shows, but you probably shouldn't expect to take him to large, highly competitive shows. If he is a year or older, he must be dubbed to show. Non-dubbed cocks are a disqualification. Cockerels (under a year old) aren't technically required to be dubbed, but many judges will overlook them if they are not.
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I would imagine this is because the Sebright was used as an outcross in producing the silver and gold laced Old English. A full Sebright would be henny feathered and not have a single comb, those features would disqualify a Sebright at a show, and would be obvious signs of crossing with another breed. This bird is a Silver Laced Old English Game Bantam. Being a fairly new variety, and this probably being a hatchery bird, it isn't going to be perfect. You can show it as "any other variety" at shows. As for quality...He's not too bad. It's hard to say a whole lot from that photo, but he's a good looking bird. He might do well at small shows, but you probably shouldn't expect to take him to large, highly competitive shows. If he is a year or older, he must be dubbed to show. Non-dubbed cocks are a disqualification. Cockerels (under a year old) aren't technically required to be dubbed, but many judges will overlook them if they are not.
Ahem... let me reiterate. A "full" Sebright is fully capable of being non-hen feathered AND having a single comb. As for the reasons I stated in my other post. Do you really expect hatchery birds to fit the Standard? I am completely aware of what disqualifies a Sebright at a show.
I would imagine this is because the Sebright was used as an outcross in producing the silver and gold laced Old English. A full Sebright would be henny feathered and not have a single comb, those features would disqualify a Sebright at a show, and would be obvious signs of crossing with another breed. This bird is a Silver Laced Old English Game Bantam. Being a fairly new variety, and this probably being a hatchery bird, it isn't going to be perfect. You can show it as "any other variety" at shows. As for quality...He's not too bad. It's hard to say a whole lot from that photo, but he's a good looking bird. He might do well at small shows, but you probably shouldn't expect to take him to large, highly competitive shows. If he is a year or older, he must be dubbed to show. Non-dubbed cocks are a disqualification. Cockerels (under a year old) aren't technically required to be dubbed, but many judges will overlook them if they are not.
Ahem... let me reiterate. A "full" Sebright is fully capable of being non-hen feathered AND having a single comb. As for the reasons I stated in my other post. Do you really expect hatchery birds to fit the Standard? I am completely aware of what disqualifies a Sebright at a show.
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what maks u say sebright? is it the color?? i see nothing sebright about this bird. tails wrong and body shapes wrong. i bet if it was all black ud say differnt. i think its an OEG project or a mix
what maks u say sebright? is it the color?? i see nothing sebright about this bird. tails wrong and body shapes wrong. i bet if it was all black ud say differnt. i think its an OEG project or a mix
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what maks u say sebright? is it the color?? i see nothing sebright about this bird. tails wrong and body shapes wrong. i bet if it was all black ud say differnt. i think its an OEG project or a mix
This has stirred quite the debate, im surprised! My part:from my experience sebrights are most known and most common to have the silver lacing than ANY other breed. I definitely see why someone would mistake that to be a sebright just like my brother did when he got it. I feel the single comb and saddle feathers and everything else is too nice to even be a low quality sebright. He's definitely an oegb project bird. Not show quality for sure but a good start to a project.
what maks u say sebright? is it the color?? i see nothing sebright about this bird. tails wrong and body shapes wrong. i bet if it was all black ud say differnt. i think its an OEG project or a mix
This has stirred quite the debate, im surprised! My part:from my experience sebrights are most known and most common to have the silver lacing than ANY other breed. I definitely see why someone would mistake that to be a sebright just like my brother did when he got it. I feel the single comb and saddle feathers and everything else is too nice to even be a low quality sebright. He's definitely an oegb project bird. Not show quality for sure but a good start to a project.
that bird is a very poor quality seabright raised tons of seabrights in my time and alot of poor quailty seabrights show pointy saddle and hackle and tail feathers
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what maks u say sebright? is it the color?? i see nothing sebright about this bird. tails wrong and body shapes wrong. i bet if it was all black ud say differnt. i think its an OEG project or a mix
If it were black then Sebright would OBVIOUSLY be out of the question, but it isn't. Body shape is wrong because of quality and being from a hatchery. You want to know where I am seeing the Sebright? 1. the wings, as I stated before. 2. the head. I can SEE more Sebright in the bird's face than OEGB. The beak is shorter and larger than an OEGB beak. The eyes are also larger, and darker. 3. The legs are slate. There are only 4 varieties of OEGB that have slaty blue shanks: Ginger Red, Quail, Mille Fleur, and Blue Brassy Back.
These links may help you understand what I am saying about the effects of the Rose comb and Hen-feathering on fertility, and why they are frequently seen in hatchery birds.
http://www.rosecomb.com/federation/articles/infertility.html
http://www.geauga4h.org/poultry/chicken_breeds.htm
"Some breeders consider hen feathering to have an adverse effect on the fertility of male Sebrights, and may use roosters that don't carry the trait for breeding purposes, despite their automatic disqualification in shows."
what maks u say sebright? is it the color?? i see nothing sebright about this bird. tails wrong and body shapes wrong. i bet if it was all black ud say differnt. i think its an OEG project or a mix
If it were black then Sebright would OBVIOUSLY be out of the question, but it isn't. Body shape is wrong because of quality and being from a hatchery. You want to know where I am seeing the Sebright? 1. the wings, as I stated before. 2. the head. I can SEE more Sebright in the bird's face than OEGB. The beak is shorter and larger than an OEGB beak. The eyes are also larger, and darker. 3. The legs are slate. There are only 4 varieties of OEGB that have slaty blue shanks: Ginger Red, Quail, Mille Fleur, and Blue Brassy Back.
These links may help you understand what I am saying about the effects of the Rose comb and Hen-feathering on fertility, and why they are frequently seen in hatchery birds.
http://www.rosecomb.com/federation/articles/infertility.html
http://www.geauga4h.org/poultry/chicken_breeds.htm
"Some breeders consider hen feathering to have an adverse effect on the fertility of male Sebrights, and may use roosters that don't carry the trait for breeding purposes, despite their automatic disqualification in shows."
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dont know, maybe cross-bred
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