Well the Uglybator just did a staggered hatch from hell, and I'm using it right now as a resting brooder for the ones that are not ready to run around in the main brooder. I have flexwatt around the base of the metal cooler bator. Over that I put tile. The chicks that want extra warmth actually cuddle right up against the tile. Like the brinsea it never gets hot enough to burn. The Uglybator's biggest detraction now is how small it is but a free metal cooler is a free metal cooler... Now I want a BIGGER metal cooler. I like that it's tiled. That cleans nice. I like that there's no possibility of any of them getting burned. Not bad for a first shot at a what-not-to-do bator.