Beware Lancaster Fancy Fowl

[alibabba]

That which says animals who have been selectively bred for domestication are inherently dependent on their human caretakers, because the wild traits have been bred out or bred down to such an extent that life in the wild is almost impossible, so it is up to the choice of the human caretakers to decide on the safest and best ways to care for them (abuse and neglect not withstanding, of course)?

Yes.

Also, something to look up. Feral animals do damage to the environment, upsetting the natural balance. Because they are not indigenous predators. House cats that roam do serious damage to the fauna.

 

[alibabba]

I am sure if you could ask the chicken he would disagree too.

and horses and cows and goats...and even cats and dogs and hamsters.

Yes I agree, humans are bizarre, not necessarily evil, but certainly selfish.

My chickens are happy. They are out first thing. I try to protect them from predators A. I like them. B. They are not part of the natural food chain in the U.S.

I don't feel too strongly about changing how the better hatcheries run their program. I received a shipment of fantastically healthy chicks that grew into amazing juveniles. NO sickly, no weak...I did have them outside since week 3. New chicks are outside at 1 week (with coop and heat pad if they want it.)

I do have a problem with factory farming and inhumane treatment!!! Again, that is a grey area.... Best for another forum?

 

[alibabba]

It's easy to have idealistic views, but remember that the only reason anybody even has chickens is because they were brought in and used for food. They didn't ask to be owned. Of course. They're birds, they can't ask for anything. They are sentient, but not in the same way we are, horses are, dogs are, etc. Their brains and bodies are so different from ours that the only real comparison is that we, and they, are alive. They don't think the same as we do. They don't understand things the same way we do.

A sanctuary is a wonderful idea, but they are also very difficult and extremely costly to run. I wanted to start up a sanctuary for abused and neglected animals when I was a teenager, too. But once I was out on my own, I learned just how much animals can cost....especially unwanted ones. After all, an unwanted animal has rarely received proper care up until the point that you get it, so it's likely that its vet bills will be high. It may also have soecial needs thanks to wherever it came from. Volunteer with a rescue first, before really deciding to start a sanctuary. Get up in their ranks to see just how difficult it actually is to raise awareness and money to run a place like that.

They're amazing.....in theory....but extremely difficult to start, operate, and especially fund in practice.

I am often found on a soapbox myself....So I understand.... Of course we humans have expanded our control much further than was intended (I believe) We would all be much more content with a much simpler life. However, this is the world. No one has ever moved mountains in a day it takes work and time and gathering others to make change.

its a big mess.

 

[fantacboxer]

this man soaked me for $ 468.00,,, he kept saying they had a set back but would deliver soon... That took months, by the time i tried to get a refund from my CC it was past the 90 days. he disabled any reviews on his facebook. he needs to talk to God the slime ball-

 

[John 4 Jesus]

Hi Christie, I'm really sorry about the circumstances that we are going through currently which make it hard for us to issue a quick refund to all of our customers. Unfortunately, our finances are in a sad state of affairs right now. And have been ever since late May early June, when we experienced the staggering production delays that lead to our decision to shut down and sell. However, I'm an honest God-fearing person and have every intention of refunding your money. I hate having to put my customers through this mess, but have no choice in the matter. I've already issued 10k worth of refunds in the last couple months and gradually working my way down. I will be issuing your refund shortly hopefully as soon as next week. Sincerely john

 

[alibabba]

I see in Enola's case that they would need to be indoors (not that he has to care about my approval, and I am sure he does not) if he kept them. But if I were in a situation where the birds could not be outside at all, I would give them to someone who could have them outside. It just would not seem fair to them - like giving your horses to someone with a farm if you had to move into a half acre plot.

I just do not see how this relates with Lancaster Fancy Fowl and other hatcheries. If they cannot have them outside, they are either biting off more than they can chew, they only see the birds as profit, or they have been misled by university and factory farm propaganda.

I have seen very healthy horses (I won't say happy or content, because they don't have those particular emotions) kept in much less than a 1/2 acre plot. Maybe 1/8 acre paddock and stall. Lived a fit long life, sired many offspring....

So they keep them inside during breeding season, to control certain things, disease exposure, egg gathering, etc. If you want free range chicks find a breeder or hatchery that does so. Even outdoors, I do beleive that most breeding operations keep tight confinement for their pairs, trios etc. Of course that is the way they do it to control costs in their minds.

If I had a breeding operation, I would put each group out in a pasture with their own little house and drive a 4 wheeler around my vast acreage gathering eggs to hatch...might take all morning.

 

[alibabba]

im guessing quarantine is just a suggestion based on worthless science.
To the owners of LFF im truly sorry that this post is here. I guess you already knew that some day this was coming no matter how hard you tried to help your customers. I personally wouldn't sell a live stock item to half the people on here.
For a few bucks profit they expect a life time guarantee against anything. I wouldn't be surprised if you have had a customer ask for a replacement if a fox ate one of there chicks based on the premise that the chick did not come with a warning sign tattooed on its backside saying "caution this chick may be to tasty for a fox to resist".
Time to go sing a lullaby to my chicks or they wont be able to sleep tonight. (cuckoo cuckoo)

ditto. and my first...

taa daa!

People are....well...people. John knows that being of a religous sort, that we are all so flawed.


I agree, and I have pullets and cockerels getting ready to sell. And I wouldn't sell to someone like myself, ignorant as I was when I first got chickens.

I would like my customers to fill out a questionaire...

What type of predator protection do you have?

How will you quarantine?

Do you have medicine on hand for ailments and injuries? List:

If euthanasia is necessary, how do plan to proceed?

That type of thing.

 

[fantacboxer]

Action speak louder than words. its been over 2 weeks. just sayin...............

 

[ageewax]

Dennis at Eureka Farms up in Pottstown PA has midget white turkeys. Really small operation, but very clean and he is super knowledgeable. We just got some chicks from him. Wonderful experience! No shipping, but road trip? More info at http://www.eureka-farm.com/. He is also on this site - https://www.backyardchickens.com/u/249441/dheltzel

Thanks so much! I'm trying to convince my husband that we absolutely need an adorable tiny turkey... I don't think he's convinced yet...

 

[dfalchek]

I have read the debate over hatcheries being indoors/outdoors that began in this discussion about LFF. For context, I visited LFF whenI picked up my birds in early 2015 before it closed. As everyone said, it was indoors. But birds were kept in large farm building with clean bedding and ample room per bird -- lots of room -- to run and flap around, plus plenty of natural light. These were airy farm buildings that pretty much blocked out the wind, predators, disease, and not much more. The reason for this is obvious -- young birds in bitter weather is not a good mix. Also, allowing them outside where wild songbirds or migratory waterfowl can poop on them and contaminate them with parasites or AI is not a good idea, either. Plus, these are young birds in the first weeks of life. They aren't even supposed to be outside in the winter or early spring when they are born to be of size in time for the Easter rush. Bottom line, I saw absolutely nothing inhumane about the keeping of birds at LFF. Most of these birds never saw a cage and could do their chicken behaviors as they waited to be purchased.