Beware of segregating a bully

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Many here are familiar with my article on chicken bullying and how to fix it. https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/chicken-bully-chicken-victim-a-two-sided-issue.73923/ In short, I treat the bullying victim instead of the bully. However, in the article I miss something crucial, and that is why I don't segregate the bully.

Recently, I used this system to treat a bullying victim in my own flock. Possum, an EE, is around five or six. She's never been especially self confident, so when the flock matriarch Louise, a nine-year old EE, decided she needed to totally stomp Possum, Possum went into total meltdown/shutdown. I saw the bullying, but decided to give it a few days to see if things would work themselves out. But I decided to do something when I found Louise pinning Possum down and pecking her senseless, many of the flock joining in.

Possum was in terminal victim mode, not eating, not wanting to roost, and behaving like a total door mat. I have a special fenced section in the run for bully victims. Possum resided in this protected space during the day for the next three weeks. It took every bit of this time to rehabilitate her, getting her over her fear and insecurities. But in the end, she miraculously regained her self confidence and lost her fear of Louise. She now confidently roosts right next to Louise on many nights.

During the first couple weeks of Possum's confinement, I took Louise out of the general population because I got tired of seeing Possum freaking out whenever Louise came up to the enclosure and intimidated her. So Louise spent her days in another run with the rooster. Around the end of the second week of Louise's absence, I was seeing fights among the other hens. It dawned on me that in the absence of Louise's enforcement of peace and order, the flock dynamics were in flux. I brought Louise back into the main flock.

Coincidentally, this probably helped Possum, as well. It's possible she finally got it through her tiny brain that Louise wasn't going to kill her. My flock quickly got back to normal, and peace has reigned since. Moral of this tale is that bullies often play an important role in the flock. It's best not to mess with it.
 
I have read both of your bullying articles and bookmarked them to share with others.

This is a wonderful story and a perfect example of a great way to control the chaos, while improvising when needed.

Thank you for writing those, and thank you for this!
 
I think an important part of the above plan, is that the victim is not pulled out of the flock, just protected from the flock. However, when she/he pulled out the bully - they did pull them away and out of the flock.

Mrs K
Do you mean that when @azygous removed Louise, she removed Louise completely out of sight of the flock, which she did NOT do with Possum, the victim? So are you wondering what the outcome would have been had she simply isolated Louise, as she did Possum, letting her (Louise) remain visible to the flock - and to Possum?

That would at least have kept Louise from approaching Possum in her enclosure and intimidating her, wouldn't it? Hmm. But you'd have to have two isolation chambers.
 
Louise was removed from the sight of the others for about a week. Usually, I don't do this, but Possum was a nervous wreck, even safe from Louise in her enclosure.

My run is complex. It's "L" shaped and the chickens normally can access the other end through the second coop which is situated at the opposite end of the main run from the other coop. So, when Louise was in that section with the coop access closed off, she was effectively removed from the flock.

Louise is the oldest chicken, and has always been the "enforcer". While she has a quiet demeanor, she is constantly policing the flock, delivering strategic pecks to any chicken even thinking of getting out of line. In her brief absence, the chickens felt free to get out of line.

Last night at bed check, Possum was roosting right next to Louise, and Louise was just fine with it. This is definitely a success.
 
To further explain Possum's problem, her self esteem had deteriorated so drastically, that she was afraid of everything. The other chickens responded to this by being aggressive toward Possum. This occurs in human society, as well. A timid, fearful human displays vulnerability that others notice and often respond to with aggression. We see this with children on a playground or when they congregate in the neighborhood. The timid, fearful kid gets bullied nine times out of ten. Possum was being bullied by the other chickens as well as by Louise.

So, even if I had removed Louise from the flock, Possum still required a safe enclosure in which to recover her self confidence. She has been my most extreme case since I've come up with this strategy.
 
Many here are familiar with my article on chicken bullying and how to fix it. https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/chicken-bully-chicken-victim-a-two-sided-issue.73923/ In short, I treat the bullying victim instead of the bully. However, in the article I miss something crucial, and that is why I don't segregate the bully.

Recently, I used this system to treat a bullying victim in my own flock. Possum, an EE, is around five or six. She's never been especially self confident, so when the flock matriarch Louise, a nine-year old EE, decided she needed to totally stomp Possum, Possum went into total meltdown/shutdown. I saw the bullying, but decided to give it a few days to see if things would work themselves out. But I decided to do something when I found Louise pinning Possum down and pecking her senseless, many of the flock joining in.

Possum was in terminal victim mode, not eating, not wanting to roost, and behaving like a total door mat. I have a special fenced section in the run for bully victims. Possum resided in this protected space during the day for the next three weeks. It took every bit of this time to rehabilitate her, getting her over her fear and insecurities. But in the end, she miraculously regained her self confidence and lost her fear of Louise. She now confidently roosts right next to Louise on many nights.

During the first couple weeks of Possum's confinement, I took Louise out of the general population because I got tired of seeing Possum freaking out whenever Louise came up to the enclosure and intimidated her. So Louise spent her days in another run with the rooster. Around the end of the second week of Louise's absence, I was seeing fights among the other hens. It dawned on me that in the absence of Louise's enforcement of peace and order, the flock dynamics were in flux. I brought Louise back into the main flock.

Coincidentally, this probably helped Possum, as well. It's possible she finally got it through her tiny brain that Louise wasn't going to kill her. My flock quickly got back to normal, and peace has reigned since. Moral of this tale is that bullies often play an important role in the flock. It's best not to mess with it.
Awesome info @azygous ! 😊
 
Many here are familiar with my article on chicken bullying and how to fix it. https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/chicken-bully-chicken-victim-a-two-sided-issue.73923/ In short, I treat the bullying victim instead of the bully. However, in the article I miss something crucial, and that is why I don't segregate the bully.

Recently, I used this system to treat a bullying victim in my own flock. Possum, an EE, is around five or six. She's never been especially self confident, so when the flock matriarch Louise, a nine-year old EE, decided she needed to totally stomp Possum, Possum went into total meltdown/shutdown. I saw the bullying, but decided to give it a few days to see if things would work themselves out. But I decided to do something when I found Louise pinning Possum down and pecking her senseless, many of the flock joining in.

Possum was in terminal victim mode, not eating, not wanting to roost, and behaving like a total door mat. I have a special fenced section in the run for bully victims. Possum resided in this protected space during the day for the next three weeks. It took every bit of this time to rehabilitate her, getting her over her fear and insecurities. But in the end, she miraculously regained her self confidence and lost her fear of Louise. She now confidently roosts right next to Louise on many nights.

During the first couple weeks of Possum's confinement, I took Louise out of the general population because I got tired of seeing Possum freaking out whenever Louise came up to the enclosure and intimidated her. So Louise spent her days in another run with the rooster. Around the end of the second week of Louise's absence, I was seeing fights among the other hens. It dawned on me that in the absence of Louise's enforcement of peace and order, the flock dynamics were in flux. I brought Louise back into the main flock.

Coincidentally, this probably helped Possum, as well. It's possible she finally got it through her tiny brain that Louise wasn't going to kill her. My flock quickly got back to normal, and peace has reigned since. Moral of this tale is that bullies often play an important role in the flock. It's best not to mess with it.
This is great. I wonder if you could edit your article (which I have read several times in the past) to include this story.
It is very instructive.
 
So are you wondering what the outcome would have been had she simply isolated Louise, as she did Possum, letting her (Louise) remain visible to the flock - and to Possum?

So, even if I had removed Louise from the flock, Possum still required a safe enclosure in which to recover her self confidence. She has been my most extreme case since I've come up with this strategy.

I do agree, that a victim really does almost pull the abuse to them, and that the other chickens will just dive right in. The more the victim has suffered, the worse it gets. So that I believe that even if Azygous had pulled the bully, the victim could have continued to be bullied.

I was just pointing out, that Azygous did pull the bully too. Putting the bully back in, after she noticed the disharmony, but it was a week later.

I am wondering why you don't have the rooster with the flock? Often times, (but not always) he will be the top bird, and manage his hens.

The most important thing is to do something besides wishing they would all get along. There are multiple things to try.

Mrs K
 

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